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Old November 14th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #3001
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LN143 ZA586 for ILFC/Sky Blue Holdings rolls out from 40-24 to 40-26, behind is LN146 ZB197 JA826A - first full production frame 787-9

http://kpae.blogspot.com/2013/11/pai...vember-13.html
Which one is the 789? the one behind the ANA or in front?
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Old November 14th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #3002
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The one with the ANA tail is the 787-9.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 02:42 PM   #3003
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The one with the ANA tail is the 787-9.
Already? They haven't even completed the test program. I thought they have a couple more 787-9 test planes to be built and a lot more testing to be done. Also Air New Zealand is the launch customer. Not ANA unless Boeing has Air New Zealand's first 787-9 hiding somewhere secret.



Hainan Airlines Delays Boeing 787 Chicago Service till late-November 2013

Hainan Airlines once again postpones planned Boeing 787 operation on Beijing – Chicago route, which will replace Airbus A340-600 aircraft. Latest service entry date is now scheduled from 26NOV13, instead of 19NOV13. The airline will operate this route twice a week, and increases to 4 weekly from 10DEC13.

HU497 PEK1320 – 1225ORD 787 x135
HU498 ORD1425 – 1820+1PEK 787 x135

Service operates Day 27 until 09DEC13. Planned Boeing 787 service remains subject to change
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Old November 14th, 2013, 02:45 PM   #3004
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Already? They haven't even completed the test program. I thought they have a couple more 787-9 test planes to be built and a lot more testing to be done. Also Air New Zealand is the launch customer. Not ANA unless Boeing has Air New Zealand's first 787-9 hiding somewhere secret.
The ANA 787-9 will be used for certification flights and will be delivered after Air New Zealand.

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I thought they have a couple more 787-9 test planes to be built
All three 787-9 test frames finished final assembly, two are flying already and the 3rd should join the fleet very soon. The ANA 787-9 is a production certification frame, and will be used to obtain type certification.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 03:49 PM   #3005
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I guess that with 2 of the 787-9 prototypes already going to Air New Zealand that they decided to use the 1st 787-9 for ANA as the production test frame. Just to not have all the test frames (except for the 3rd prototype) for 1 customer.

ANA will probably take delivery not that long after Air New Zealand though, they were the launch customer afterall placing the 1st order for the 787-9.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #3006
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More B787-10 orders is coming in the Dubai air Show.......Ethiad and Qatar.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 10:30 PM   #3007
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More B787-10 orders is coming in the Dubai air Show.......Ethiad and Qatar.
Can you confirm that or are you trying to insight more rumors. Its not just Qatar, Eithad, Emirates ordering paradise. Boeing and Airbus will log more orders from non middle east airlines too. Lufthansa will firm up their 777X order if Boeing launches it.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 11:02 PM   #3008
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Hainan Airlines Delays Boeing 787 Chicago Service till late-November 2013

Hainan Airlines once again postpones planned Boeing 787 operation on Beijing – Chicago route, which will replace Airbus A340-600 aircraft. Latest service entry date is now scheduled from 26NOV13, instead of 19NOV13. The airline will operate this route twice a week, and increases to 4 weekly from 10DEC13.

HU497 PEK1320 – 1225ORD 787 x135
HU498 ORD1425 – 1820+1PEK 787 x135

Service operates Day 27 until 09DEC13. Planned Boeing 787 service remains subject to change
So LN131 ZA435 B-2731 should be delivered this month with LN79 ZA432 B-2729 follow early December.

I'm curious what is going on with China Southern frames, two are ready for delivery since few weeks but still no deliveries in sight.
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ZA327 (Jetairfly) too. Notice route, that is old B1 route without landing in MWH, many of early frames in 2012 flew B1 like this:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...900Z/KPAE/KPAE

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Old November 15th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #3009
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Air India Starting 787 Service BOM-LHR On March 30

Air India will deploy a Boeing 787 aircraft onto its Mumbai to London Heathrow route from March.

The Dreamliner will replace the B777-300ER that currently operates the daily service between the two cities.

The switch is scheduled to take place on March 30.

Outward flight AI131 leaves Mumbai at 0630 and arrives at LHR at 1130 local time. The return service departs Heathrow at 1315 and lands at Mumbai at 0305 the following day
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Old November 15th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #3010
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Boeing has announced true Randy Tinseth's blog that the production of the 787 has now reached 10 per month. This is earlier then expected, it was the end of the year with analyst expecting it to become Q1 2014.

The LN152, ZA188 was the 1st 787 to be loaded into the assembly line in Everett with the increased rate.

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As many of you know, the 787 program is increasing rate for the third time in just over a year — this time to 10 airplanes per month. Yesterday, the first airplane being built at the 10 per month rate loaded into our Everett factory.

This is the biggest rate break ever for a twin-aisle airplane and the entire 787 team has done an outstanding job of reaching this target as scheduled. Enjoy the photos.
http://www.boeingblogs.com/randy/arc...ing_to_10.html








on the All things 787 blog we could already see a clear increase in the production, in the 1st 2 weeks of this month 4 new 787s were into assembly. With the 10 per month we see this continue with 2 or 3 787 starting assembly every week. This should also mean that they will be finished earlier, that should go from 1.5 months to about a month. So we should see the LN152 on the flightline before the holidays next month.



Meanwhile it has become clear why the most recent delivery to JAL hasn't flown to Japan yet.

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Engines have been removed from JAL 787 JA821J
https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401407313065410560

So it will get new engines, since it was one of the early birds it could be that GE had not delivered the most recent version of the GEnx's for this one and decided to have them changed at Boeing an not at JAL's own maintenance facilities.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 03:11 AM   #3011
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Meanwhile it has become clear why the most recent delivery to JAL hasn't flown to Japan yet.


https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/401407313065410560

So it will get new engines, since it was one of the early birds it could be that GE had not delivered the most recent version of the GEnx's for this one and decided to have them changed at Boeing an not at JAL's own maintenance facilities.
I don't think so. JA821J's engines have been delivered this year (in June) and GE should be out of old engines version like on test fleet fo long time.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/159/okg4.jpg
I thinks there were engines fault or /this is pure speculation/ they will attach pair of GEnx-1B PIP2 from ZA005.

In 2012 GEnx engines have been removed from China Southern's and Hainan's frames - LN43, LN73 and LN79. Anybody dont know why till today.
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Quite an interesting movement around EMC occured.
LN25 ZA230 VT-ANA has been moved to paint hangar. And this is unexpected, this frame entered EMC last. There is possibility of higher pace than LN26 ZA231 VT-ANB, these frames entered EMC in very close time (few weeks between movements), but don't explains why LN28 ZA233 VT-ANC is still inside. This frame has been repainted 8 weeks ago, so there is high possibliby this one have been damaged by hydraulic line failure that Matt Cawby reported some time ago on twitter.

Meanwhile LN5 ZA005 N787FT replaced VT-ANA inside EMC, so this frame has customer pending and Boeing is pushing its re-work. LN13 for Lion Air (former ZA502 for ANA) has been taken out of storage and moved to EMC outside position.
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Matt posted photo of engineless JA821J

http://kpae.blogspot.com/2013/11/pai...vember-15.html

And I remembered something. CC-BBD for LAN was in similar state during its days on the fligtline:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/LAN-A...48ccf46fd49e15

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Old November 16th, 2013, 07:45 AM   #3012
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10 per month is quite something. Good job.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 03:26 AM   #3013
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An overview of the Paine field.
Everett - Snohomish County / Paine Field (PAE / KPAE)
USA - Washington, August 13, 2013
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Old November 17th, 2013, 10:42 AM   #3014
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The 1,000 orders has been reached as Etihad orders 30 787-10s.

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Boeing 787 Dreamliner Reaches 1,000th Order with Etihad Airways


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Nov. 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- The Boeing [NYSE: BA] 787 Dreamliner received its 1,000th customer order today when Etihad Airways announced an order for 30 787-10 Dreamliners, valued at $8.7 billion at list prices. With this order, the Dreamliner family has reached this sales milestone faster than any other widebody airplane in aviation history.


Launched in April 2004, the 787 family received its 1000th order in approximately nine years, about eight years faster than the popular Boeing 777. Including today's announcement, the 787 Dreamliner has accumulated 1,012 orders from 60 customers worldwide.

"Our ongoing investment in the 787 is well-founded and is apparent by the record time in which the Dreamliner family received its 1,000th order," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. "We are truly grateful for the continued confidence that our customers have placed in the 787 and together, we are excited about growing the product line and expanding our presence with this family of airplanes."

Etihad now has 71 787 Dreamliners on order and is the world's largest airline customer for the airplane.

"This is a significant, timely and essential order for us, as we celebrate our tenth anniversary and plan for our next decade and beyond," said Etihad Airways President and CEO James Hogan. "In just 10 years, we have grown from a start-up carrier to a global airline. This order enables us to build upon our achievements, using the next generation of aircraft to support our next generation of development."

In addition to bringing big-jet ranges to midsize airplanes, the 787 family provides airlines with unmatched fuel efficiency, resulting in exceptional environmental performance. The airplane uses at least 20 percent less fuel with 20 percent fewer emissions than today's similarly sized airplanes. Airlines also realize more cargo revenue capacity — a 20 to 45 percent advantage over similarly sized airplanes.

The first member of the family, the 787-8, entered service in September 2011, and the longer 787-9 is in testing and on track to deliver in mid-2014. To date, 102 787 Dreamliners have been delivered to 16 customers around the world.

The 787-10 will be the third and longest member of the family. With its greater passenger and cargo capacity and high degree of commonality, the 787-10 will set a new benchmark for fuel efficiency and operating economics. The 787-10 will be 25 percent more efficient than airplanes of its size today and more than 10 percent better than anything offered by the competition for the future. Final assembly and flight test of the 787-10 are set to begin in 2017, with first delivery targeted for 2018.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-11-...Etihad-Airways


The 787-10 has now secured 120 firm orders.
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Old November 17th, 2013, 03:21 PM   #3015
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And there is British Airways' order firm up upcoming. Maybe Qatar will firm up their 30 options for 789 too.

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Line 20 was delivered and was at delivery center for the trip home.
GE stopped the flight - apparently they have turbine manufacturing issues.
Not sure if it is limited to certain engines.
I was at PAE taking delivery of a legacy bird - got this info first hand.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...n/5914701/#139
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How many will BA have now ?
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After the order is firmed up it will brake down like this:

8x 787-8
22x 787-9
12x 787-10

Total: 42

Current deliveries: 4x 787-8




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After the order is firmed up it will brake down like this:

8x 787-8
22x 787-9
12x 787-10

Total: 42

Current deliveries: 4x 787-8

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Thanks. These planes will replace some off the 747-400s right? If so wouldn't that lead to a fall in capacity on some routes?
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Thanks. These planes will replace some off the 747-400s right? If so wouldn't that lead to a fall in capacity on some routes?
Not really when you factor in their A350 firm orders plus options.

British Airways has ordered 18 new Airbus A350 aircraft as part of a move to phase out a fleet of 30 Boeing aircraft over the next 10 years.
The order, announced by BA's parent company International Airlines Group (IAG), allows for an option of a further 18 A350 aeroplanes.
As well as its new Airbus aircraft, IAG plans to place firm orders on 18 Boeing 787s, which together will be used to replace BA's fleet of 30 Boeing 747-400 planes between 2017 and 2023.
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Some routes will indeed see a reduction in capacity, other routes will see an increase as the 747s are also replaced by the A380. By not replacing the 747s 1 on 1 by 1 type of plane BA creates a bit more flexibility in it's fleet to deploy the right capacity on the right route.

And they will probably want the same flexibility again when they will order new planes to replace the 46 777-200ERs. We might see some bigger replacements and some smaller ones as well.
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