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Old December 23rd, 2013, 09:08 AM   #3161
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It's a downgrade in capacity, but it's an upgrade for accountants. There's plenty of competition on the routes between London and India, there are 4 airline flying to Delhi and Mumbai directly plus the competition from the Gulf carriers. With the 787 Air India is finally making money on these routes.
Perhaps QF will watch and learn. The B787's recently delivered should've gone to mainline!
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 11:17 AM   #3163
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Thats not a 787 ....... its a 777 look at the nose of the plane.
OR you know, the metal fuselage...
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 11:34 PM   #3164
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Looks like ET-AOP- Queen of Sheba" is now back in service flying ET707- congratulations and Happy Christmas to Boeing and Ethiopian Airlines:


http://www.flightradar24.com/ETH707
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 11:58 PM   #3165
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And a B-1 flight for:

LN143 ZA586 N28MS ILFC/Sky Blue Holdings
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE586



The fix of the ET-OAP was done pretty fast, that's also good news. It shows that it's possible to fix a composite fuselage without too much trouble. I think the insurance companies will be very happy about that and that will be good for the insurances fees that airlines have to pay.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 03:18 AM   #3166
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LN143 ZA586 N28MS first flight:
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Old December 24th, 2013, 05:32 AM   #3167
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And a B-1 flight for:

LN143 ZA586 N28MS ILFC/Sky Blue Holdings
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE586



The fix of the ET-OAP was done pretty fast, that's also good news. It shows that it's possible to fix a composite fuselage without too much trouble. I think the insurance companies will be very happy about that and that will be good for the insurances fees that airlines have to pay.
Knowing how insurance companies operate, they will not give the green light any time soon till the plane accomplishes a few thousand flying hours and gets a B & C-check certification. The insurance companies will also require an extensive D-check certification on that particular aircraft. They will use that as a measuring stick for any future hull damage repairs. We are a long way from feeling safe pertaining to any structural damage repairs.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 07:54 AM   #3168
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But if you look at it the other way around.

If this would have been an instant write-off because of a relatively small part of the fuselage could not be repaired because it's too difficult to repair this kind of fuselage. You know very well how the insurance companies would have reacted. All airlines operating the 787 would already see it on the invoices for 2014 and they won't be pleased.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 05:58 PM   #3169
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Boeing delivered today 3 787s for China Southern. Flyaway in few hours.

LN36 ZA381 B-2726 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...100Z/KPAE/ZGGG
LN104 ZA386 B-2737 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...600Z/KCHS/KBFI http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...345Z/KBFI/ZGGG
LN119 ZA387 B-2735 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...630Z/KCHS/KBFI http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...015Z/KBFI/ZGGG

That means China Southern took 8 deliveries from 10 frame order. 2 left, 2 will be assembled in CHS, one is now at FAL LN154 ZA388 B-2740. Last one, LN172 ZA389 will enter FAL in February 2014.

Delivery of LN36 marked another milestone in change incorporation program. All frames from LN29 to LN66 were delivered to original customers. In 2014 Boeing should deliver 6 early frames at least. 3 for Air India, 3 for Transaero. LN6 ZA006 should be delivered too, but who knows, it is undergoing re-work in San Antonio since May 2012.

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Old December 24th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #3170
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Old December 24th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #3171
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LN6 ZA006 should be delivered too, but who nows, it is undergoing re-work in San Antonio since May 2012.
I believe San Antonio also has the ability to install the interior, which could explain the long lead time.
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Old December 25th, 2013, 12:16 AM   #3172
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Yep, it's possible. We will see when it make test flight and return to PAE.
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Old December 25th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #3173
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Beautiful Dreamliner:
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Old December 25th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #3174
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Anyone have registration details concerning the B789 scheduled to operate down under to carry out extensive hot testing?

Boeing's 787-9 Dreamliner is headed 'down under' next month as the next-gen jet undergoes extensive testing ahead of its mid-year debut with Air New Zealand.
The visit is expected to include stop-overs at Auckland, Brisbane and Alice Springs.
A stretched version of Boeing's original 787-8 model which Jetstar is now flying, the 787-9 carries more passengers and can fly over longer distances than its sibling.
But the 787-9 which will fly to Australia and New Zealand in January won't carry any passengers apart from Boeing pilots, engineers and technicians who will put the plane through its paces in an array of real-world conditions.
This will include 'hot testing' under the scorching summer sun at Alice Springs, in the middle of Australia, where average temperatures for January hover around 36 degrees Celsius (97.5 degrees Fahrenheit) with a record of 49.2 °C (120.6 °F).
That's a crucial part of certifying the Boeing 787-9 for use by airlines, which is why this Dreamliner will pack a comprehensive array of equipment to record in exacting detail how the plane performs.
Boeing now has three 787-9s in its test fleet, although the next two aircraft to roll out of the factory will be fitted with standard interiors and primarily used for promotional flights.
See the 787-9 Dreamliner down under...

While details have not been finalised, the 787-9 is expected to arrive into Auckland in the late afternoon of Saturday January 4th, 2014 to be showcased by worldwide launch customer Air New Zealand.
A preliminary schedule supplied to Australian Business Traveller by Brisbane Airport lists the 787-9 as departing Auckland on Monday January 6th around 11am (NZ time).
It will then make a refuelling stop at Brisbane Airport, touching down around 12 noon with wheels-up again at 3pm, before reaching Alice Springs around 5pm.
Flight tests around Australia's 'red centre' are expected to run from Tuesday January 7th to Saturday January 11th, according to the schedule.
It'll then be nine long months of continued testing until the Boeing 787-9 makes its first commercial flight with Air New Zealand on October 15th 2014 from Auckland to Perth.
(Tickets for that flight are now on sale at airnewzealand.com and through the Kiwi carrier's partner Virgin Australia at virginaustralia.com.au.)
As more 787-9s join the Air NZ fleet the Dreamliner will appear on the Auckland-Tokyo and Auckland-Shanghai routes.
The 787-9s will sport two variations on Air New Zealand's new-look livery: the classic white...
http://www.ausbt.com.au/boeing-787-9...n=home-flipper
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With which airline will that particular aircraft be operated? The tail design doesn't seem to be obvious to me...
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Old December 25th, 2013, 05:19 PM   #3176
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It's a private jet, will go to Sky Blue Holdings.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 04:19 AM   #3177
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Boeing outlines likely Charleston expansion plans

[URL="http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20131223/PC05/131229743/1012/boeing-projects-prepare-for-takeoff-filing-plant-could-more-than-double-output-triple-square-footage"]

Expand flight line from 7 to 16 stalls... add over 3 million sq ft of production space... add over 400,000 sq ft of office space.

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Old December 26th, 2013, 04:20 PM   #3178
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Expand flight line from 7 to 16 stalls... add over 3 million sq ft of production space... add over 400,000 sq ft of office space.

NICE!
I wonder if they could fit the 777X program in that space or move all the 787 production down to CHS?
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Old December 26th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #3179
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Even today there's a 787 production flight.

LN132 ZA515 JA824A ANA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE515

All other Boeing sites are very quiet, so these Boeing test pilots can make some extra hours together with the ANA pilots that will take this 787 home before the end of the year. It could turn out to be the best month to date with 12 possible deliveries, 1 more then in December 2012.
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Old December 26th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #3180
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I wonder if they could fit the 777X program in that space or move all the 787 production down to CHS?
If you look at the map accompanying the article, the expansion outlined is just for the 787. ALL the remaining land (shown in green) would be available for whatever else Boeing wants to do. Of course, everyone here is hoping for the 777X. Regardless, that's all Boeing's land now and industry insiders have said Boeing doesn't buy land to let it sit around.
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