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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:42 AM   #4061
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Boeing had to book the 1st cancellation of 2014 last week. One at the moment unknown customer won't take 5 787s they had on order.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


As there were also orders for 10 737 MAX and 2 777-300ER's from an unknown customers it could also have been a conversion. It could be Lion Air orders falling trough, opting for more 737s instead. We know at the beginning of next month with the new full order update.
I know this is a 787 thread but looking at Emirates orders for the 777 and knowing there 380 order. HOLY COW ... do they really think they can fill all those seats?

and are those 787s built already or just the building slots for when they would build them?
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 04:14 AM   #4062
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Lion Air was mentioned as client for 5 early frames (terrible teens). These frames were built during years 2009-2010 and are awaiting change incorporation/re-work which bring them to delivery (certification) standard.
Two of these frames are undergoing re-work now (LN11 and LN14), LN11 will be delivered to Korean Air, customer for LN14 isn't known yet.
You can see them here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...&page=202#4024

They are stored on the RWY11-29. Mothballed, without engines and many others parts:

Batik Air Boeing 787 Dreamliner by Jon Ostrower, on Flickr
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 02:25 PM   #4063
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I know this is a 787 thread but looking at Emirates orders for the 777 and knowing there 380 order. HOLY COW ... do they really think they can fill all those seats?
The 777X order is mainly for replacement of the current 777-300ERs.

ps. Emirates has suddenly been showing more interest into the 787, saying very possitive things about the aircraft and a possible role in their fleet. After the cancelation of the A350 it could be very possible that they will now order the 787 for the smaller "regional routes".
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 04:30 PM   #4064
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Dear @Oasis Bangkok, I have a one question for you: do you have maybe similar picture(s) what we can see in your last post, but with LOT Polish Airlines livery? Thanks in advance for answer on my question.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 06:29 PM   #4065
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The 777X order is mainly for replacement of the current 777-300ERs.

ps. Emirates has suddenly been showing more interest into the 787, saying very possitive things about the aircraft and a possible role in their fleet. After the cancelation of the A350 it could be very possible that they will now order the 787 for the smaller "regional routes".
I think Emirates will replace their a330s with 30-40 787s...So, The Emirates' future fleet(2020-2030) will consist of 140 Airbus a380, 150-200 Boeing 777 and 30-40 Boeing 787
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 01:26 AM   #4066
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LN22 undergoing slow re-work still outside the EMC:

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Old August 23rd, 2014, 02:19 AM   #4067
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"787-9s with @GEAviation GEnx engines are now certified by the FAA, clearing the way for deliveries. #Boeing"
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United will take delivery of the 1st GEnx powered 787-9 any day now.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 02:48 AM   #4068
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FRIST 788 FOR THE WORLD'S SECOND OLDEST AIRLINE.


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Old August 23rd, 2014, 03:35 AM   #4069
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Something interesting about CHS Plant.
First flights:

LN208 ZA246 VT-ANR (roll out: 7/6/2014; ff: 8/18/2014) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...400Z/KCHS/KMYR

LN212 ZA659 5Y-KZE (7/13/2014; 8/5/2014) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...300Z/KCHS/KMYR

LN216 ZA269 ET-ARF (7/23/2014; 8/22/2014) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...930Z/KCHS/KCHS

LN220 ZA613 C-GHPV (8/4/2014; 8/21/2014) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...930Z/KCHS/KGSP

KCHS flown all frames without latest one LN224 ZA660 5Y-KZF rolled out 8/15/2014, when KPAE is still struggling with first flights of frames built in June:
LN205 ZA543 CC-BBH
LN207 ZA475 A7-BCP
LN209 ZA589 HS-TQB

Charleston will probably be leading factory in terms of time from roll out to first flight. Everett is struggling with big backlog now. 11 788 frames are waiting for first flights (without Azerbaijan Airlines). It looks like CHS Plant is better and better with 788 assembly, probably there won't be any bigger obstacles in even distribution of production between Everett and Charleston.

ZK-NZF on the flightline:

Around KPAE 8-22-14 by moonm, on Flickr
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 09:48 AM   #4070
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There are a couple of things you have to keep in mind when comparing Everett with Charleston.

- Charleston doesn't do 1st deliveries, they also have yet to built a 787-9.
- Charleston didn't have any "difficult" customers recently, although there's now 1 for Air India on the flightline that will probably be there somewhat then the others currently on the flightline.
- The Charleston 787s have to fly to be painted, therefor they have their 1st flight scheduled earlier then the Everett 787s.

The shortest number of days possible between 1st flight and delivery in Everett is about 8 ~ 9 days. Any Everett 787 that will have it's 1st flight today can still be delivered in early September. Looking at the recent standard deliveries from Everett and Charleston it also shows that there's no significant difference in the number of days between roll out and delivery.

The only conclusion we can make at this point is that Charleston has caught up with Everett. But it's too early to tell if they have actually took over. And as long as the production rate is still twice as high in Everett...
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 01:18 PM   #4071
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In terms of delivery, you are right. Anyway, this is great achievement for them.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 04:47 PM   #4072
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I think Emirates will replace their a330s with 30-40 787s...So, The Emirates' future fleet(2020-2030) will consist of 140 Airbus a380, 150-200 Boeing 777 and 30-40 Boeing 787
While I can't predict how many A380s they will order in the future, as it stands, they won't be having all those A380s flying at the same time. Some of the later birds are replacements for earlier birds. They would probably, IMO, have 110-120 A380 flying.
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24A next to windows this is good seat in economic class?
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LN4 N7874 fying as EcoDemonstrator. This is last 788 test frame still flying.
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LN220 ZA613 C-GHPV is on the way to PDX for painting. This could be fastest delivery of 788 frame.

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Old August 25th, 2014, 11:29 PM   #4079
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There are a couple of things you have to keep in mind when comparing Everett with Charleston.

- Charleston doesn't do 1st deliveries, they also have yet to built a 787-9.
- Charleston didn't have any "difficult" customers recently, although there's now 1 for Air India on the flightline that will probably be there somewhat then the others currently on the flightline.
- The Charleston 787s have to fly to be painted, therefor they have their 1st flight scheduled earlier then the Everett 787s.

The shortest number of days possible between 1st flight and delivery in Everett is about 8 ~ 9 days. Any Everett 787 that will have it's 1st flight today can still be delivered in early September. Looking at the recent standard deliveries from Everett and Charleston it also shows that there's no significant difference in the number of days between roll out and delivery.

The only conclusion we can make at this point is that Charleston has caught up with Everett. But it's too early to tell if they have actually took over. And as long as the production rate is still twice as high in Everett...
-Charleston did the 1st deliveries for Air India (the planes were built in Everett and ferried to Charleston) and Hainan.

-Charleston built the majority of planes for China Southern, Hainan, and Air India which are all very difficult customers. They were building the majority of planes for Qatar, but that customer got into repeated disagreements with the CHS delivery crews and that has changed.

-The production rate in Everett is higher because they have two production lines compared to just one in Charleston.

-What you claim to be an advantage for Charleston is actually a disadvantage. Because planes built in Charleston have to fly cross country to be painted they lose significant time for getting the plane ready for delivery and tie up the time of a flight testing crew.

I think Charleston is doing a helluva job considering Everett has "generations" of airplane manufacturing experience. They are building at the same rate per line as Everett.
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You describe the former Charleston, the one where the rate increases didn't go as fast as expected and where the average deliveries took significantly longer then the average ones from Everett. They did manage to turn that around the last couple of months, but that was after all the difficult deliveries were out of the way. Also looking at the upcoming production slots in Charleston you can't really deny that they aren't getting the easy customers + Air India.

The 1st actual 1st delivery for an airline which was also actually built in Charleston is also still upcoming, that will be LN340 for Oman Air. That will be after Everett made about 30 1st deliveries.

And I didn't claim that the lack of a paint shop in Charleston is an advantage. I just said that because they have to fly to be painted that the 1st flight is scheduled earlier after roll-out then in Everett.
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