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Old September 9th, 2014, 02:26 PM   #4121
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Old September 10th, 2014, 01:00 PM   #4122
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Al Jazeera's Investigative Unit and reporter Will Jordan investigate Boeing’s 787 “Dreamliner,” finding some workers with quality concerns, alleging drug use and fearing to fly the plane they build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3mL5Yu_5Bg
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Old September 10th, 2014, 03:15 PM   #4123
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Al Jazeera's Investigative Unit and reporter Will Jordan investigate Boeing’s 787 “Dreamliner,” finding some workers with quality concerns, alleging drug use and fearing to fly the plane they build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3mL5Yu_5Bg
I read an article about this a couple days ago..... interesting stuff.

The article said that 10 out of 15 Boeing employees would NOT fly on the plane.

and if I am a Boeing employee of this plant. I am downright embarrassed. You are Boeing employees, working for a good company, and your going to piss away your decent paying job? You are grown adults and you have to do drugs to get by? Seriously? Then you are going to COMPLAIN to a media member and have it recorded for TV? What IDIOTS!

Boeing 100% is going to watch this and "fix" the problem AKA fire a lot of people and do a lot of random drug testing. The people working there kissed there job good bye.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #4124
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I don't believe it at all. There's absolutely no way Boeing would put a plane in the air that isn't safe. Few things in the world catch as much attention as a widebody crash.
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Old September 10th, 2014, 11:47 PM   #4125
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The program started today in AlJazeera Arabic and English. So who ever wanna watch it

http://www.aljazeera.com/investigati...7/default.html

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os
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Old September 11th, 2014, 12:03 AM   #4126
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I don't believe it at all. There's absolutely no way Boeing would put a plane in the air that isn't safe. Few things in the world catch as much attention as a widebody crash.
It isn't Boeing who decide if plane is safe. It's FAA work and decision.

This material is one big slander, advantage taken out of context meaning and other shit movement.
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That's just the preview. Here's the full documentary.

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Old September 11th, 2014, 12:41 AM   #4128
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I watched this. This material is lying about every issue with early production:

- all parts of fuselage and wings from block LN7-LN19 were re-worked on the final assembly line, including fasteners, composite elements, wings durability (side of the body modification). Later production blocks introduced revised design partially for keeping up production, and the re-work to full standard was done in Everett. First frame built in full production standard was LN66. All earlier needed to be reworked.
- electrical systems were redesigned after problem during test flights
- no single early plane was delivered without going through re-work/change incorporation process. All sold 787s are matching certification standards, including all system and parts.
- Boeing re-worked 40 frames, 14 are storaged in Everett, 3 test planes will be never delivered to customers (LN1-LN3). 3 from these 14 are undergoing re-work now, 1 for Mexican Air Force should be delivered this month (LN6). 1 more in December this year (for Korean Air). Rest in next years. Here is full schedule of remaining early 787 frames deliveries: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=4098
All of these will spend over 12 months of re-work in the Everett Modification Center
- 787 Lithium-Ion batteries never failed during flight test program. After accident Boeing introduced safe fix for this problem, which passed the exam of reliability on JAL 787 frame.
- and many standard technicians in factories don't know too much about designing and strenght of used solutions. So they really can't judge if something is good enought to fly. But 787 designers and FAA crew do have this knowledge. Try to ask average builder about how to design the skyscraper.
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Old September 11th, 2014, 01:16 AM   #4129
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I watched this. This material is lying about every issue with early production:

- all parts of fuselage and wings from block LN7-LN19 were re-worked on the final assembly line, including fasteners, composite elements, wings durability (side of the body modification). Later production blocks introduced revised design partially for keeping up production, and the re-work to full standard was done in Everett. First frame built in full production standard was LN66. All earlier needed to be reworked.
- electrical systems were redesigned after problem during test flights
- no single early plane was delivered without going through re-work/change incorporation process. All sold 787s are matching certification standards, including all system and parts.
- Boeing re-worked 40 frames, 14 are storaged in Everett, 3 test planes will be never delivered to customers (LN1-LN3). 3 from these 14 are undergoing re-work now, 1 for Mexican Air Force should be delivered this month (LN6). 1 more in December this year (for Korean Air). Rest in next years. Here is full schedule of remaining early 787 frames deliveries: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=4098
All of these will spend over 12 months of re-work in the Everett Modification Center
- 787 Lithium-Ion batteries never failed during flight test program. After accident Boeing introduced safe fix for this problem, which passed the exam of reliability on JAL 787 frame.
- and many standard technicians in factories don't know too much about designing and strenght of used solutions. So they really can't judge if something is good enought to fly. But 787 designers and FAA crew do have this knowledge. Try to ask average builder about how to design the skyscraper.
Yeah, when watching i got a sense this was propaganda against boeing and the 787.
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Old September 11th, 2014, 01:21 AM   #4130
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Ureshs filled scheduled delivery date of all early build 788s
LN6 ZA006 XC-MEX 9/28/2014
LN11 ZA841 12/23/2014
LN14 3/20/2015
LN22 8/6/2015
LN12 11/25/2015
LN13 3/16/2016
LN17 4/4/2016
LN19 8/3/2016
LN15 10/31/2016
LN18 11/23/2016
LN10 4/10/2017
LN16 5/22/2017

LN5 11/20/2017
LN4 5/21/2018

Interesting RwandAir will get two 787s in 2017. Two deleveries dates are close, these 787s will be probably delivered to RwandAir.

PiotrG where did you get these dates ? Thanks

PS : i have found the link : http://www.bloglovin.com/viewer?post...click=0&user=0
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Old September 11th, 2014, 01:47 AM   #4131
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Yeah, when watching i got a sense this was propaganda against boeing and the 787.
Almost certainly it is union related. Shooting themselves in the foot, again
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Old September 11th, 2014, 01:59 AM   #4132
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Interesting RwandAir will get two 787s in 2017. Two deleveries dates are close, these 787s will be probably delivered to RwandAir.

PiotrG where did you get these dates ? Thanks[/url]
Here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=2&output=html
It's Ureshs' table from http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

Of course, dates are so far in the future that changes are possible in both directions earlier or later.

And of course, I messed up number of reworked frames - correct number is 48.
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I noticed something interesting. LN5 is stored on Kilo South without engines' pylons, supported by scaffolding. Concrete blocks are near plane, so they probably switch these pylons with LN22 and LN5 will get pylons for RR engines. The same scenarios as LN11-LN19 and LN14-LN17.
I won't be surprised if most of terrible teens will end up with GEnx-1B engines. And Boeing clearly doesn't want to burden suppliers now, so they switching pylons between early frames.


Around KPAE 9-9-14 by moonm, on Flickr

and LN22 few days ago with scaffolding around pylon:

Around KPAE 9-2-14 by moonm, on Flickr
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Old September 11th, 2014, 04:41 PM   #4134
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"Boeing issued the following statement prior to the airing of the television program on Al Jazeera English. The company will not be providing any further comment."

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Boeing Responds to Al Jazeera English Documentary on 787

We have not been afforded the opportunity to view the full program, but the promotional trailer and published media reviews suggest that what has been produced is as biased a production as we have seen in some time. It is unfortunate that the producers of this television program appear to have fallen into the trap of distorting facts, relying on claims rejected by courts of law, breathlessly rehashing as “news” stories that have been covered exhaustively in the past and relying on anonymous sources who appear intent only on harming The Boeing Company.

When first contacted by the producers, we accommodated them in order for them to produce a fair and objective report including facilitating factory access, interviews and providing full and open responses to their questions. The 787 is an outstanding airplane delivering value to our customers, but we have also talked candidly in public about its challenging development process. There are no tougher critics about our early performance than Boeing. Unfortunately, the reporting team appears to have chosen to take advantage of our trust and openness and abused their position from the outset by deliberately misrepresenting the purpose, objective and scope of their planned coverage.

This specious production appears to have ignored the factual information provided by Boeing and instead based the majority of its reporting on unnamed sources pursuing their own agendas and a disgruntled former employee engaged in a legal dispute with Boeing. In one instance, the producers resorted to ambush tactics normally seen only in tabloid-style TV news. The anonymous sources the TV program depends on are clearly working with those who seek to harm Boeing and its workers. They appear to have no real interest in truth, safety or better informing the public.

Even on-the-record sources seem to have changed their stories for the producers. For example, former Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA) President Cynthia Cole said this about the 787’s first flight in 2009: “Today’s flight is a testament to the skill, hard work and diligence Boeing employees put in to get this airplane ready to fly,” SPEEA President Cynthia Cole said in a news release. “Boeing returned to engineering, and that’s what made today possible and successful.” Now, she states in the documentary trailer that Boeing “shortchanged the engineering process.”

Instead of an objective view of the 787’s development, viewers and our employees will see a television program that is neither balanced nor accurate in its portrayal of the airplane, our employees, or our suppliers. This program and those involved with it do a disservice to the hard-working men and women of Boeing and our supplier partners who designed and build the 787.

Furthermore, the program presents a false impression of Boeing South Carolina and the quality of work performed there. Airplanes, whether delivered from South Carolina or Washington, meet the highest safety and quality standards that are verified through robust test, verification and inspection processes. Our data of the current 787 fleet in service show parity in the quality and performance of airplanes manufactured in both locations.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...95&item=129201
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LN218 ZB027 G-VNEW 1st 789 for Virgin Atlantic Airways finally on the flightline:

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Old September 11th, 2014, 05:21 PM   #4136
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"Boeing issued the following statement prior to the airing of the television program on Al Jazeera English. The company will not be providing any further comment."


http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...95&item=129201
Boeing not holding any punches in the press release, and rightly so.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 09:06 PM   #4138
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It seems to be old because appears Xiamen's 787.

Secondly, somebody knows what happened with Avianca's first 787?.....it has delivery date on September 26 but it hasn't have done the first flight yet.

Thank for your answers.
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That picture was taken on August 18, 2014.


If the first Avianca makes it's 1st flight any day now it can still be delivered this month.



1st flights today:

Just back:

LN202 ZB198 JA833A 787-9 ANA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE198

Scheduled:

LN210 ZA544 CC-BBI 787-8 LAN
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE544



And AA tweeted this picture:

“I got my wings!” Our first 787 takes shape in Position 1A, where the mid-body & wings are joined.
https://twitter.com/AmericanAir/stat...121664/photo/1

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Old September 13th, 2014, 03:00 AM   #4140
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I wonder what route AA is going to give there 787
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