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Old September 27th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #4201
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Due to lack 767 thread. Here it is, Fedex 767 updated cockpit, N104FE:




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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:57 AM   #4202
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Airberlin cancelled their order for 15 787-8s (and 18 737s) after earlier rumors that they would convert their order to the 787-9. The airline has financial troubles and have reduced their growth plans.


http://www.airberlingroup.com/en/pre...of-33-aircraft

Interestingly enough they could cancel the orders without any financial penalties from Boeing. Of course this cancellation creates open early delivery slots for the 787 and 737 which are very easy to sell. And with Etihad being a big share holder in Air Berlin and also a major Boeing customer for the 787 and 777X they might also have pulled some weight in this.

It's also possible that we will still see the 787 in their fleet in the future, they could be sourced from the large Etihad order or from leasing companies. They already had a lease deal for several 787-8s with ILFC, but the status of that deal is unclear. We do know that they won't get the 787-8s from AerCap (they took over ILFC), there could still be a deal for the 787-9 in place.
I read that article today too .... im sure Boeing isnt happy about that!
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Old September 27th, 2014, 02:37 AM   #4203
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LN202 ZB198 JA833A Delivered:
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I read that article today too .... im sure Boeing isnt happy about that!
It isn't necessary true.
With all delays and early deal with Air Berlin, they probably weren't going to earn any cent on these 15 frames.
And now they got 15 789 slots for early delivery. With rumors about Virgin Atlantic and Air New Zealand planning to top up their orders, this could be pretty good deal for both sides. These slots could be used too for any converting orders or speeding up deliveries to particular airline.

Look up at 6th 788 test frame delivery to Mexican Air Force. If price of 127mln USD is true, then Boeing will earn much more for this frame than selling it to original customer - LAN Airlines. Early 787 deals were very unprofitable for Boeing. They shouldn't have a problem with selling these 789 slots to new customer with better price for Boeing.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 09:52 AM   #4204
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Cancellations are never good, but with such a large backlog availability is an issue. Being able to offer 15 early delivery slot is a way to potentially win completely new orders.

And Delta has reportedly narrowed down their upcoming wide-body order to the 787-9 or the A350-900. If Boeing reserved these 15 delivery slots for them it could tip this order over in favor of the 787. And if Boeing loses this order they can still sell them to existing customers, not just as a top up orders but also to move up deliveries from the existing backlog.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 10:02 AM   #4205
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I'd say the AB cancellation is a direct result of EY announcing their largest order ever... EY have plenty of aircraft on order & if I'm not mistaken AB ordered the B787's prior to EY becoming a stakeholder...

As part of its Boeing orders Etihad has become the launch customer for the 777-8X in a deal that includes 25 of the new Boeing 777Xs, of which 17 are 777-9Xs and eight are 777-8Xs. It also ordered a single 777F
The airline also ordered 30 Boeing 787-10s, making Etihad the largest airline customer for the 787, when combined with previous orders for 41 of the 787-9 variant. The 787-10 commitment takes the 787 order book to over 1,000 aircraft.
From Airbus Etihad has signed for 50 A350s (comprising 40 A350-900s and 10 -1000s) plus 26 A321neos and 10 A320neos, and a single A330-200F freighter.


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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:02 PM   #4206
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CHS flightline (not all frames currently completed), from the left:
LN216 ZA269 ET-ARF for Ethiopian
LN6 ZA006 XC-MEX for Mexican Air Force
LN230 ZA614 C-GHPX for Air Canada
LN208 ZA246 VT-ANR for Air India


http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2014/09/a...-schedule.html
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Old September 28th, 2014, 06:12 AM   #4207
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Here's First Picture's Of B787-9 of ETIHAD Airways Painted A6-BLA Source :- Airliners.Net FB
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Old September 28th, 2014, 06:53 AM   #4209
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Air New Zealand B787-9, All Black livery (reg. ZK-NZE)

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Old September 28th, 2014, 08:15 AM   #4211
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For the average American traveler using Air New Zealand to get from San Francisco to Auckland (likely in economy class), how different would a trip be on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner as opposed to a 777-300ER?
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Old September 28th, 2014, 09:07 AM   #4212
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For the average American traveler using Air New Zealand to get from San Francisco to Auckland (likely in economy class), how different would a trip be on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner as opposed to a 777-300ER?
Let me do it in a way you'll understand very quickly:

Air New Zealand sends a B777-200ER (B772) to San Francisco from Auckland often, with the B777-300ER (B77W) being operated on an occasional basis. The airline operates its B77Ws more often on its Auckland-Los Angeles service (with one of the daily rotations continuing on to and from London).

A seating comparison (from Seatguru.com) describes the following: (note: J - Business Class, W - Premium Economy, Y - Economy)

B777-200ER:
- J26 (1-2-1 seating configuration, flat bed seats) -- with AC power ports on each seat
- W36 (3-3-3 seating configuration, 41" seat pitch, 17.8" seat width) -- with AC power ports on each seat
- Y242 (3-3-3 seating configuration, 31-33" seat pitch, 17.8" seat width) -- no AC power ports

B777-300ER:
- J44 (1-2-1 seating configuration, flat bed seats) -- with AC power ports on each seat
- W44 (branded as Premium Economy SpaceSeat; 2-2-2 seating configuration, 42" seat pitch, 17.8" seat width) -- with AC power ports on each seat
- Y244 (3-4-3 seating configuration; seats A, B, C, H, J, and K from rows 37 to 46 are branded as Economy Skycouch seats, which require extra payment for the experience; 32-33" seat pitch, 17.1" seat width) -- with AC power ports on each seat

B787-9:
- J18 (1-1-1 seating configuration, flat bed seats) -- with AC power ports on each seat
- W21 (2-3-2 seating configuration, 41" seat pitch, 19" seat width) -- with AC power ports on each seat
- Y263 (3-3-3 seating configruation, except for Row 34, with only 2 seats; 31-32" seat pitch, 17.2" seat width) -- with AC power ports on alternating seats (meaning in between seats)

More details on aircraft amenities can be found by clicking on the aircraft type of your choice, by the way. And prior to September 2014, NZ also sent the B744 to SFO as well as its mainstay aircraft.

As for the B789, I don't think it will be operated to SFO; instead, it will be used more on its Asian flights that will replace its older B767-300ER aircraft.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 12:20 PM   #4213
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Just worth noting NZ B744's have been retired...
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Old September 28th, 2014, 01:43 PM   #4215
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Old September 28th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #4216
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This livery looks better on 787 than A380, but this is still nothing special. Next dull livery in the sky.
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LN213 ZB004 ZK-NZF delivered to Air New Zealand.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #4217
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This livery looks better on 787 than A380, but this is still nothing special. Next dull livery in the sky.
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LN213 ZB004 ZK-NZF delivered to Air New Zealand.
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I agree .... it looks way better on the 787
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Just worth noting NZ B744's have been retired...
All of them? When? And will NZ use any of its B787s to North America anytime soon?
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They retired their last 747 just 2 week ago. It was replaced with their last 777-300ER delivery that took place just a couple of days ago.

There are no plans for any US flights, after Auckland - Perth they will be used on the Tokyo and Shanghai flights. When they will receive more next it will also mean that more destinations will be announced. But the US flights will probably stay with the 777 for now as the 787 being used on more flights to Australia and Asia where there's a bit more competition.

They also took delivery of their 2nd 787-9 yesterday, it's currently on route to Auckland.
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Etihad Airways 789 PTQ, some new footage:

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