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Old November 26th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #4441
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Virgin Atlantic orders 1 extra 787-9.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


They were expected to convert some more of their options, maybe they have opted to lease some more instead.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 08:33 PM   #4442
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I have a question, will we ever see jet engines with the noise of a JT8D or old style jet engine like those of the 707, 727 and Douglas planes? They seem authentic. Though I never rode on them (MD80 maybe) today's planes sound too electronic when compared to them.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #4443
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No. Too loud, too inefficient. If anything expect more mechanical whine, and less roar, as bypass ratios get higher.

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I have a question, will we ever see jet engines with the noise of a JT8D or old style jet engine like those of the 707, 727 and Douglas planes? They seem authentic. Though I never rode on them (MD80 maybe) today's planes sound too electronic when compared to them.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 12:20 AM   #4444
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One thing you have to keep in mind when comparing the 787 to the A350 is that it isn't just the the 787 vs the A350, it's the 787 and the 777X vs the A350. Boeing has two form factors to cover the long haul, twin engine, twin aisle market. There are going to be routes where the A350 is going to be either too big or two small, that Boeing will have better covered. Boeing really only needs the 787-10 to plug whatever hole it has, and that's coming down the 'pike.

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Soon Airbus A350 XWB Will Meet Boeing 787 Dreamliner in the Sky -- Which One Will Fly Higher?

Nasdaq, the leading tech-based stock exchange in New York, is weighing in on the future of the two lightweight, long-haul wide bodied aircraft, the Boeing 787 and the Airbus A350.



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Old November 27th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #4445
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One think you have to keep in mind when comparing the 787 to the A350 is that it isn't just the the 787 vs the A350, it's the 787 and the 777X vs the A350. Boeing has two form factors to cover the long haul, twin engine, twin aisle market. There are going to be routes where the A350 is going to be either too big or two small, that Boeing will have better covered. Boeing really only needs the 787-10 to plug whatever hole it has, and that's coming down the 'pike.
And the A330neo? It doesn't count?
Also the 777X-9 is more in concurrence with A380 than A350 from a capacity standpoint.
To sum up, yes if you look only at the market from 787 to 777X size, there is only one Airbus competitor, the A350.
On the other end, if you look at the market from A330 to A350 size, there is also only one Boeing competitor, the 787... What does this show? Absolutely nothing except that these market slicing are highly subjective.
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Old November 28th, 2014, 05:27 AM   #4446
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And the A330neo? It doesn't count?
Correct, it doesn't count. It is a way for Airbus to get some additional revenue out of an aging airframe. Virtually all purchases will be from current A330 operators and airlines with limited capital budgets.
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Old November 28th, 2014, 07:54 AM   #4447
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Hmmm... another required fix mandated from the FAA on the 787 may be in order. From Reuters:

U.S. FAA proposes requiring fix for Boeing 787 Dreamliner

With hundreds of Dreamliners operating today, the FAA wants the operators of the 787 to check on a problematic part: the proximity sensor.
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The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration proposed on Wednesday requiring a fix for Boeing Co's 787-8 Dreamliner, following "numerous reports of failures of proximity sensors" on the high-tech plane's wings.

A sensor failure could cause the plane to go off the runway while landing on a short runway or in adverse weather, the FAA said in a proposed airworthiness directive scheduled to be published on Friday.

The directive, if adopted, would affect 15 planes registered in the United States, the FAA said. FAA actions are often followed by non-U.S. airlines. Through the end of October, Boeing has delivered 197 787-8s worldwide.
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Cost about 950-1000USD per plane.
Worst aviation nightmare ever.
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Old November 28th, 2014, 09:02 AM   #4449
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How large is that part, by the way? And on what part of the 787 is the sensor installed?
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Old November 28th, 2014, 02:49 PM   #4450
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Correct, it doesn't count. It is a way for Airbus to get some additional revenue out of an aging airframe. Virtually all purchases will be from current A330 operators and airlines with limited capital budgets.

Well going by that then Airbus and Boeing aren't making any new aircraft with the 320 series NEO and the 737 MAX. The A330 does have new engines and takes many avionics from the A350.
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How large is that part, by the way? And on what part of the 787 is the sensor installed?
It's a part in the leading-edge slats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading-edge_slats


More detailed, it's a part of the slat skew detection mechanism assembly. It detect slat skew detection mechanism assembly, detecting differential movement between neighbouring slat panels. When the sensor fails the slats will go back to their standard position, also when they are actually needed to increase the surface of the wings.


And this is what went wrong:

“It was determined that the failed sensors had broken magnet wires due to stresses induced by thermal expansion and contraction of an epoxy applied around them.”

http://www.avitrader.com/2014/11/27/...-8-dreamliner/

These kind of small issues can happen with any part on any plane.
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The 777X will still be a much bigger change from the current 777 then the A330neo is from the current A330.

The A330 is basically just what neo implies, New Engine Option. Airbus and RR were able to put the engines RR developed for the 787 on further pretty much unmodified A330. The only other big changes will be the new wingtips and the A350 avionics. Airbus has done it because it's possible, it's cheap and the market simply demands more fuel efficient planes then the combined 787 and A350 production lines can produce.
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Old December 1st, 2014, 06:52 AM   #4453
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Azerbaijan Airlines 787-8 for JFK New York
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Old December 1st, 2014, 07:36 AM   #4454
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We're going around in circles here. This discussion us for the 787 I thought?
I know... there are just some users who like comparing aircraft, which is fine up to a certain extent. Yes, the 787 is indeed a unique aircraft that has gone through several challenges, yet it shows us the future of air travel: long-haul trips without the 4 engines and too many seats to fill.
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I know... there are just some users who like comparing aircraft, which is fine up to a certain extent.
Agree many like to compare aircraft types but we need to draw a line in the sand...
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That's not only my responsibility, but also everyone as well.

Ouch... this is not good. From The New Zealand Herald:

Air NZ Dreamliner Scorched and Grounded in Lightning Strike

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Scorch marks were reportedly visible on the 787-9's fuselage after flight NZ175 was struck by lightning as it travelled from Auckland to Perth on Thursday afternoon.

"The incident forced the cancellation of a flight from Perth to Auckland which was due to operate on Thursday evening," an Air New Zealand spokeswoman said.
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That's not only my responsibility, but also everyone as well.
Definitely not your responsibility, it's everyone’s responsibility and perhaps reading the forum guidelines wouldn't hurt...
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But, I mean, I work alongside with you to keep the forums running healthily and smoothly. My responsibility here is to make sure I keep the flow going and to engage with other members in the best way I can.

Anyways, moving on, 2015 is coming... which carriers that do not operate the Dreamliner now would be viable candidates to be the next operators?
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...my bad, I took the troll bait.
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Not to worry. All gone. Just remember: if there's a problem or concern on this thread (or on any thread on this forum), just let me know.
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