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Old December 4th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #461
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The 737 MAX won't be using too much new technology from the 787. The biggest difference will be the engines, using composites will make it too complicated and therefor to prone for delays. They don't want it to turn into another 747-8, that just started as a simple extension of the 747-400. But because of all the changes it became much more complicated, resulting in all the delays.

As for the 787, the Dreamliner is more a new generation 767.


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ANA will have 2 kinds of 787s, one for domestic use and one for long distance international routes. The 2 787s currently in use are the domestic versions and are used on the Tokyo Haneda - Okayama and Haneda - Hiroshima.

The 1st international route will be Haneda - Beijing followed by Haneda - Frankfurt. It looks like it will mostly be used for the Haneda - Europe routes, but ANA has also said it will be looking at destinations on the Westcoast of the USA. But Tokyo - LAX is already a 777 route and I don't see them resizing it. It's more likely that they will look at new Westcoast destinations like Seattle or San Diego. Or that Los Angeles will also be served from Osaka.

As for Manilla, since it's currently a 767 destination there's a change that it will become a 787 destination. But since ANA's 767 are still very new and the 787 will be mostly used on intercontinental routes I doubt it will be anytime soon.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:30 PM   #462
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Boeing's first 787, ZA001 to be decommissioned Thursday

By Jon Ostrower on November 30, 2011 10:20 PM

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Thursday, December 1, ZA001 will ferry to Palmdale, California.

It will be the aircraft's last flight for a while, as the first 787 will be decommissioned as a test aircraft, Boeing confirms.

Its Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines will be removed and it will remain in long-term storage before finding its way to a permanent spot in a museum, likely not far from the first 757, 747 and 737.

It's a coincidental bookend of sorts, its ferry coming a day after Boeing and its largest union reached a landmark deal to secure 737 Max production in Renton. Much of the program's life was defined in-part by the contentiousness between labor and management.

ZA001 may also be the single most expensive test asset in commercial aviation history, with the aircraft's estimated cost exceeding $4 billion, say company sources.

Its flying life as a globe-trotting test aircraft will conclude just 15 days shy of its second birthday as a flying machine and its extended gestation in Everett filled the two and a half years that preceded. It was a strange way to come into the world for this first carbon fiber jetliner, wound from looms, rather than forged from metal.

Those who assembled it felt it almost maddening at times, rife with frustration and the stress of the push to speed it towards flight test.

The machinists and engineers could make a washing machine fly if they had to, and there were days that making ZA001 into a living, breathing aircraft seemed to feel that way.

Then-787 chief systems engineer Mike Sinnett held his blackberry up to ZA001's cooling fans, running for the first time in June 2008, on the other end was David Hess, then-Hamilton Sundstrand CEO, whose electrical power system had brought the aircraft to life.

When it came time for its first factory gauntlet in April 2009, ZA001 proved incredibly hard to fool, stubbornly refusing to raise its landing gear. A flip of the gear handle would not suffice, its deeply integrated computer systems had to be tricked into believing it was flying.

"Hot diggity dang, TM, it works!" were the words from then-787 Chief Pilot Mike Carriker at the controls of ZA001 on December 15, 2009 as the jet climbed away from Paine Field for the first time.

Assembled, disassembled, re-assembled and disassembled and reassembled a few more times after that, the amount of changes made to its structure and fasteners and the lack of initial documentation made its future as a member of All Nippon''s fleet - any fleet - a non-starter.

It officially left Boeing's production inventory in March 2009, though the official disclosure, along with a $2.5 billion charge to its earnings along with ZA002 and ZA003, shifted the first three 787s to research and development duty in August of that same year.

ZA002 lives on as a demonstration aircraft for Boeing Charleston, while ZA003 will take the lead on the Dream Tour over the next half year.

Though its service was brief in comparison to the company's other first models in its near 100-year history, ZA001's impact will be felt for decades, having laid the foundation for the company's technological and financial future.
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Boeing Launches 787 Dream Tour in China

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BEIJING, Dec. 4, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- The Boeing (NYSE:BA) 787 Dreamliner arrived today at the Beijing Capital International Airport, making its debut in mainland China, one of the world's fastest-growing aviation and travel markets. It also marks the start of a six-month worldwide Dream Tour with the all-new jet.

The airplane will be in China Dec. 4 through 11, with stops in Beijing, Guangzhou and Haikou, where Chinese customers, partners, government officials and media will experience the revolutionary technology and passenger innovation firsthand.

"Chinese airlines including Air China, China Southern, Hainan Airlines and Xiamen Airlines have been instrumental in bringing this game-changing airplane to the market," said Ihssane Mounir, senior vice president of Sales & Marketing for greater China and Korea, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "We thank them for their initial commitment to the first new airplane of the 21st century."

The airplane, ZA003, was originally used for flight testing but has been elegantly refurbished to showcase the standard capabilities and features of the 787.

"I'm extremely impressed with what I saw including the spacious cabin, largest-ever windows, larger overhead bins, and the dynamic LED lighting," said Fan Cheng, senior vice president of Air China. "I believe the Dreamliner will enable Air China to offer a superior passenger experience and I look forward to its important role in Air China's plans for international expansion."

"This great day demonstrates our partnership with China in pursuing aviation excellence," said Marc Allen, Boeing China president. "Chengfei, Hafei and Shenfei -- as exclusive and single-source Boeing suppliers -- have made a great contribution to the success of the 787 program, producing the rudder, wing-to-body fairing, and vertical fin leading edge. We want to thank them for their role in making today possible."

Made from composite materials, the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the first mid-size airplane capable of flying long-range routes and will allow airlines to open new, non-stop routes preferred by the traveling public. As a result of innovative technologies, the airplane offers unparalleled operating economics, fuel efficiency and passenger comfort. More than 800 787s are on order by more than 50 airlines, a testament to the airplane's unique capabilities.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 08:06 AM   #466
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Really pretty plane, especially with its uniquely pointed nose.
This plane is always deceiving me with its size. I know it's a medium sized plane similar to a 767 but in all it's photos, it always looks barely bigger than an A320.
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Boeing looks set for record 21-hour 787 flight to Bangladesh

By Jon Ostrower on December 6, 2011

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Boeing is taking the 787 to Bangladesh today, typically a brief 12h 40min polar flight, the GEnx-1B-powered ZA006 is taking a decidedly longer route across the North Atlantic and through Europe and Asia. The flight will take the 787 from Boeing Field in Seattle to Shahjalal International Airport in Dhaka, the nation's capital city.

Dhaka is an interesting choice for the record flight's destination, Biman Bangladesh, which just recently received its first 777-300ER, is a 787 customer.

The now filed flight plan has the aircraft aloft for 20h 23min, breaking the current 787 endurance record by more than two hours after ZA102 flew non-stop from Guam to Paine Filed in 18h 7min to complete systems functionality and reliability testing in August.

While it won't break 2005's 22h 42min 777-200LR world record flight from Hong Kong to London, ZA006's journey will likely set a record for longest endurance flight for an aircraft in its weight class, as its maximum takeoff weight is nearly a quarter million pound less than that of the -200LR.
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Boeing 787 Dreamliner Sets Speed, Distance Records

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EVERETT, Wash., Dec. 8, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) has established two world records with the 787 Dreamliner, setting new marks for both speed and distance for the airplane's weight class.

"Speed and distance capabilities are fundamental to the value the 787 brings to the market," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "These records are a great way to demonstrate that this airplane is the game-changer we have promised."

The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner is the first airplane to provide both long distance capabilities with mid-size capacity (210-250 passengers in a three-class seating), allowing airlines to open new, non-stop routes preferred by the traveling public. The airplane is 20 percent more fuel efficient than similarly sized airplanes.

The sixth 787, ZA006, powered by General Electric GEnx engines, departed from Boeing Field in Seattle at 11:02 a.m. on Dec. 6 and set the distance record for its class (440,000-550,000 lbs.) with a 10,710 nmi (19,835 km) flight to Dhaka, Bangladesh, with credit for 10,337 nmi (19,144 km). This record had previously been held by the Airbus A330 based on a 9,127 nmi (16,903 km) flight in 2002.

Following an approximately two-hour stop for refueling in Dhaka, the airplane returned to Seattle on a 9,734 nmi (18,027 km) flight. The airplane landed at 5:29 a.m. on Dec. 8, setting a new record for speed around the world (eastbound) with a total trip time of 42 hours and 27 minutes. There was no previous around-the-world speed record for this weight class.

The 787 carried six pilots, an observer for the National Aeronautic Association (NAA), and operations and other Boeing employees – 13 people in total.

Flight routing on the first segment of the journey took the airplane from Seattle across the U.S. to Nantucket. After crossing the Atlantic Ocean, the airplane entered European air space at Santiago, Spain, and proceeded down the Mediterranean, across Egypt to Luxor, across the Middle East and over India to Bangladesh. On the second segment, the Dreamliner flew over Singapore, the Philippines and Guam before entering U.S. airspace over Honolulu and returning to Seattle.

Boeing holds world records for longest distance flights in five weight classes with records set by the KC-135, 767-200ER (extended range), 777-200 and 777-200LR (longer range). The 777-200 also holds the speed record for its weight class.
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Boeing, ALC Finalize Order for 787s and Next-Generation 737s

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SEATTLE, Dec. 8, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Air Lease Corporation (ALC) have finalized an order for four 787-9 Dreamliners. ALC also exercised options for four Next-Generation 737-800s. The order, with a list-price value of more than $1.2 billion, marks the completion of an agreement announced during the Paris Air Show in June.

"This order is a continuation of Air Lease Corporation's disciplined approach to building its fleet," said Ray Conner, senior vice president for Sales and Customer Support for Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "Air Lease Corporation has positioned itself for success since starting business early last year. These 787-9 Dreamliners and 737-800s support its strategy of establishing a fleet of young, high-quality, high-demand airplanes for its airline customers."

The airplanes join the 74 Next-Generation 737-800s and five 777-300ER (Extended Range) airplanes that ALC currently has on order.

"This order will continue to diversify our portfolio of efficient airplanes for our airline customers," said Steven F. Udvar-Hazy, chairman and CEO of Air Lease Corporation. "The 787-9, with its increased size and range, will provide our customers the ability to serve more cities with the lowest possible cost per seat."

The Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner is a slightly larger version of the 787-8 and will carry 250-290 passengers on routes of 8,000 to 8,500 nautical miles (14,800 to 15,750 kilometers). The 787 provides airlines with incredible fuel efficiency, resulting in exceptional environmental performance. The airplane uses 20 percent less fuel than today's similarly sized airplanes. It also will travel at a speed of March 0.85, which is similar to the speed of today's fastest wide-body airplanes.

"Air Lease Corporation's order helps establish the 787-9 Dreamliner in the leasing market," said Bill Collins, vice president of Leasing Sales for Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "It also builds on the continued market success of this airplane."

The order increases the number of 787-9s on order to 270 airplanes from customers located all over the world. The 787 Dreamliner family, including the 787-8 and 787-9, has accumulated a total of 825 orders.

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Launched in 2010, ALC is an aircraft leasing company based in Los Angeles, California, that has airline customers throughout the world. ALC and its team of dedicated and experienced professionals are principally engaged in purchasing commercial aircraft and leasing them to its airline partners worldwide through customized aircraft leasing and financing solutions. For more information, visit ALC's website at www.airleasecorp.com.
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Boeing takes 787 around the world in 42-hours and 27-minutes

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Boeing Flight 6 returned to Boeing Field early this morning, breaking two world speed records 42h 27min after it left the same spot on December 6. The first leg broke the distance record for the 787's 440,000-550,000lb weight class covering 10,710nm (19,835km). Upon completion of the second 9,734nm (18,027km) leg established the eastbound speed around the world record for the weight class. Thirteen, including six pilots and one National Aeronautic Association (NAA) observer, were on board for the fuel laden flight.

Boeing did not release the ZA006's weights or the arrival and departure times in Bangladesh.

Using a combination of flight plan data and Boeing information, I pieced together the approximate routes of each leg.


Flight One: BFI-DAC. Departure 11:02 AM PT, December 6 - 10,710nm
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Flight Two: DAC-BFI. Arrival 5:29 AM PT, December 8 - 9,734nm
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Really pretty plane, especially with its uniquely pointed nose.
This plane is always deceiving me with its size. I know it's a medium sized plane similar to a 767 but in all it's photos, it always looks barely bigger than an A320.
I suffer from the same cognitive dissonance and came to the conclusion that the large windows (rather than portholes ) probably reinforce this illusion.
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JAL has announced more 787 routes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...SeO_story.html

Narita - Boston (already known)

Narita - New Delhi
Narita - Moscow
Haneda - Beijing


This means that Boston will be the only new destination for JAL with the 787, the others are already served by JAL.

"The company said it will use the new aircraft for several international destinations it currently serves with “medium-sized demand and a high percentage of business travelers.” "

As expected not to many new destinations straight away for JAL after they came out of the bankruptcy protection earlier this year.
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