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Old August 24th, 2015, 01:19 PM   #5881
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I was in the factory today and in surge line (40-24) is:
LN 14 with Engines getting cabin outfitting
Any pics? They really installed engines on LN14?


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Old August 24th, 2015, 06:10 PM   #5882
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Both A380/B748 & B787 serve 2 totally different markets.
Correct. The question is, which is the better market to be in. By sales, it looks like the one the 787 is in.
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Both Airbus and Boeing have taken a gamble and both id say paid off even though the A380 hasn't generated the sales Airbus predicted it would.
If they can't sell as many as they projected, than the gamble hasn't paid off. From a sales perspective, the A380 is looking like a serious failure, and AB is likely to lose money on the overall project. Then again AB never really cared about making money
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One only needs to visit LAX for example on any given day and probably every gate at TBIT is occupied by an A380 / B748.
LAX to Asian hubs is the type of route that the A380 was built for. If it wasn't well represented at LAX, it would be a total failure.
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Again 3 engineering marvels and they serve totally different markets.
True, but not particularly relevant. I'm not saying the A380 isn't an interesting, or even impressive aircraft. It's just the right plane for the wrong era.

If you're comparing the A380 to the 747, the latter went into production 40 years earlier and has been amazingly successful, with over 1,500 built. it's just reaching the end of it's production life (even with the -800 refresh.)

The A380, OTOH is looking like something of a sales flop. Unless EK can buy enough to keep it going, it may not be in production much longer. It's certainly not going to be in production anything like 40 years. AB has only 150 in backlog, with no new orders in something like two years. And AB doesn't think all those may get built.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 05:12 AM   #5883
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LN 14 with Engines? When will she be delivered?

The engines are in fact not installed, but staged near LN14. They are in fact not for LN14. They are for BA's LN360.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 04:10 PM   #5885
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Any pics? They really installed engines on LN14?



No pics of LN 14 as at the time it was sandwiched between LAN and ANZ.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 01:55 AM   #5886
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LN126 ZB001 ZK-NZC was delivered today (25.08.2015). It is former N789EX 1st 787-9 test frame, first 787-9 ever built. It took exactly 2 years from roll out from FAL to delivery, as for test frame its pretty fast! All 787-9 test frames (ZB001, ZB002, ZB021) are now in customer's hands.
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A7-BCW Qatar LN 328 performed several flights today after repairs to the flaps after last weeks issues. They would perform a RTO, take off, do a full stop, taxi to the Compass Rose, inspect and repeat until they where satisfied it was repaired.

A7-BCW Qatar Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 38341 / LN 328 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

A7-BCW Qatar Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 38341 / LN 328 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

A7-BCW Qatar Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 38341 / LN 328 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

A7-BCW Qatar Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 38341 / LN 328 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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LN126 ZB001 ZK-NZC was delivered today (25.08.2015). It is former N789EX 1st 787-9 test frame, first 787-9 ever built. It took exactly 2 years from roll out from FAL to delivery, as for test frame its pretty fast! All 787-9 test frames (ZB001, ZB002, ZB021) are now in customer's hands.

ZK-NZC Air New Zealand (N789EX) Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 41988 / LN 126 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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Correct. The question is, which is the better market to be in. By sales, it looks like the one the 787 is in.

If they can't sell as many as they projected, than the gamble hasn't paid off. From a sales perspective, the A380 is looking like a serious failure, and AB is likely to lose money on the overall project. Then again AB never really cared about making money

LAX to Asian hubs is the type of route that the A380 was built for. If it wasn't well represented at LAX, it would be a total failure.


True, but not particularly relevant. I'm not saying the A380 isn't an interesting, or even impressive aircraft. It's just the right plane for the wrong era.

If you're comparing the A380 to the 747, the latter went into production 40 years earlier and has been amazingly successful, with over 1,500 built. it's just reaching the end of it's production life (even with the -800 refresh.)

The A380, OTOH is looking like something of a sales flop. Unless EK can buy enough to keep it going, it may not be in production much longer. It's certainly not going to be in production anything like 40 years. AB has only 150 in backlog, with no new orders in something like two years. And AB doesn't think all those may get built.
Airbus is not doing too badly with the A380 order book. With Emirates order, pending completion, they have delivered 65 A380's to Emirates, with 75 more to be delivered. Plus a guaranteed order for 200 more A380 Neo from Emirates. Further, Etihad has just placed an order for 10 more A380's, plus an undisclosed buyer has placed an order for 20 A380's. I am sure that by 2016 AB will have a backlog of over 200+ A380's.
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A380 Orders

Airbus is not doing too badly with the A380 order book. With Emirates order, pending completion, they have delivered 65 A380's to Emirates, with 75 more to be delivered. Plus a guaranteed order for 200 more A380 Neo from Emirates. Further, Etihad has just placed an order for 10 more A380's, plus an undisclosed buyer has placed an order for 20 A380's. I am sure that by 2016 AB will have a backlog of over 200+ A380's. If Airbus confirms the production of the A380 Neo, the orders would exceed 500 aircraft. Emirates itself would have a backlog of 275 aircraft, 75 pending for delivery and 200 for the A380 Neo.
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You seem to know a lot about A380 orders that haven't been made public yet.

All we know from Airbus that this years orderbook for the A380 is empty up to now. They haven't announced any new firm orders this year up to today and not booked any orders up to July.

And Emirates might have screamed that they will place a very large order if Airbus launches the A380 neo, but will they actually place an order for 200 when Airbus decides to launch the plane? I very much doubt that it will happen in such numbers. 50 at first maybe, including conversions from the current order. They simply don't need to order anymore straight away. It's not like any other airlines are lining up in large numbers to secure delivery slots.

The A380 has always been a prestige project by Airbus, they didn't sell as much as they predicted in the early development stages. And compared to 787 and the A350 sales, and 777 and A330 sales for that matter it remains a small market, even when Emirates goes all out and orders 200 at the same time.
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Airbus is not doing too badly with the A380 order book. With Emirates order, pending completion, they have delivered 65 A380's to Emirates, with 75 more to be delivered. Plus a guaranteed order for 200 more A380 Neo from Emirates. Further, Etihad has just placed an order for 10 more A380's, plus an undisclosed buyer has placed an order for 20 A380's. I am sure that by 2016 AB will have a backlog of over 200+ A380's. If Airbus confirms the production of the A380 Neo, the orders would exceed 500 aircraft. Emirates itself would have a backlog of 275 aircraft, 75 pending for delivery and 200 for the A380 Neo.
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Are you indirectly saying Etihad has ordered 10 more A380's which they will most likely make public in November at the Dubai Air Show, and seeing your from India are you also hinting Etihad has maybe helped Jet Airways purchase 20 A380's?
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Are you indirectly saying Etihad has ordered 10 more A380's which they will most likely make public in November at the Dubai Air Show, and seeing your from India are you also hinting Etihad has maybe helped Jet Airways purchase 20 A380's?
Nah, he was indirectly saying that he is a bit too much an Airbus fanboy.
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To Noir - Dresses: "Are you indirectly saying Etihad has ordered 10 more A380's which they will most likely make public in November at the Dubai Air Show, and seeing your from India are you also hinting Etihad has maybe helped Jet Airways purchase 20 A380's?"

[B][I] No I am not saying nor hinting that Etihad has helped Jet Airways to purchase 10 A380's. Jet does not require any A380's at this time. Maybe Etihad will announce this purchase at the Dubai Air Show in November.

To Nomo 1435: I am a fan of all Aircraft Manufacturers, not only Airbus. If you bother to read the news from various sources, and publications, you would know the facts.
Further, if AB wants to continue the production of the A380, it has no other option but to develop the A380 Neo. Apart from Emirates, other airlines are interested in the Neo version.
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Airbus lands $8.3 billion in orders for A380-800

European airplane maker Airbus has clinched a $8.3 billion deal to produce its A380 model for a leading aircraft leasing group. The superjumbo aircraft is the world's largest passenger plane.
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Amedeo, formerly known as Doric Lease Corporation, placed an order for 20 of Airbus' A380 superjumbo aircraft, the European planemaker said on Wednesday. The news came during the Singapore Airshow.
"This firm order from Amedeo is a clear recognition of the A380's long-term market appeal," Airbus chief operating officer for customers John Leahy said.
Amedeo's chief executive, Mark Lapidus, said the purchase reflected his company's goal of keeping pace with growth in the air travel sector.
"As world air traffic continues to double every 15 years and airport infrastructure and slots do not, the A380 is the best solution for airlines to capture that growth," Lapidus said, who added that the aircraft would be delivered between 2016 and 2020.
Airbus had a record year in 2013 with over 1,500 orders and 626 planes delivered, which approached competitor Boeing's 648. The European planemaker has placed more focus on its A380, selling it on its spaciousness and comfort for long flights.
The deal with Amedeo came a day after VietJetAir announced it had ordered 63 A320 passenger planes from Airbus. The deal was worth roughly $9.1 billion.
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Okay, then you are not an Airbus fanboy, but with the way you write it down here you don't come over as somebody who is too bothered to be critical about the information that hits the internet. You even begin to talk like an Airbus representative. Come on, it's widely known that not all A380 customers have benefited from the plane. For several it has been a rather difficult experience, even if it was because of outside causes unrelated to the A380, just look at Malaysian as an example.

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Your Amedeo post that I didn't see before proofs my point even further. They announced this order 2 years ago, but still haven't found 1 single customer for their A380s, not 1 single customer!!




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Norwegian announced that they will take 2 more 787-9s.

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Aug 27, 2015 06:00 BST

Norwegian has signed an agreement to acquire an additional two new Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners, enabling the company to launch even more long-haul routes. Both aircraft are scheduled to enter service in summer 2017. The 787-9 is larger than the eight 787-8s that Norwegian currently operates on its long-haul routes. With this new agreement, the long-haul fleet will consist of 19 Dreamliners by 2018.
http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...liners-1207888

It doesn't mention if this is a new order directly from Boeing or a new lease deal.
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British Airways launches Dreamliner route to home of Google and Apple in Silicon Valley

Flag carrier knows the way to San Jose in California with only direct service between Europe and the world’s software powerhouse

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/tr...-route-6316638



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British Airways is heading to San Jose in California's sunny Silicon Valley – home to hi-tech titans such as Adobe, Apple, eBay, Google and Intel – with daily Dreamliner flights from May 4.

Do You Know the Way to San Jose? - written by music legends Burt Bacharach and Hal David – was a huge hit for R&B queen Dionne Warwick in the late 1960s and BA will offer the only direct service between Europe and the world’s software powerhouse.

And the 'turn left' super-rich Silicon Valley whizz-kids will have an elite new First class cabin for the 10 hour 50 minute flight.

BA will use one of its new jetlag-busting stretched Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners on the San Jose route.

And at 20ft longer than its 787-8 predecessor - of which BA has eight – there's room for a First cabin, which is not on the smaller planes.


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Guys please take A380 discussion to A380 AIRBUS | A380 News & Discussion Aviator1942 not here this is BOEING | 787 News & Discussion !!!!!!!!!!!!! come back to topic http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=856204
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