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Old September 22nd, 2015, 06:02 AM   #6021
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 07:10 AM   #6022
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B-2763 Xiamen LN343 ferried to Everett for a ceremony with the President of China

B-2763 Xiamen Airlines Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 41543 / LN 343 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

and finally PH-BHA KLM LN356 rolled out of paint.

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Old September 22nd, 2015, 08:21 PM   #6023
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The Chinese president just landed in Everett for the start of his state visit to the USA. Interestingly the visit to the Boeing factory is the 1st stop of this trip. It might well come with some orders and/or announcements, maybe also for the 787.


Maybe an order by Donghai Airlines from Shenzen. Last week they presented their ambitions for the future. They now operate 6 passenger and 5 cargo 737s + some business jets, but they want to grow to a fleet of 120 planes in 2025. They also have long haul / international ambitions and look specifically at the 787-9 for these flights.

http://centreforaviation.com/news/do...g-787-9-483264


But we could also only see the formal announcements of the Hainan and Xiamen orders which are now listed as Unidentified.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 08:51 PM   #6024
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I'm also interested to know what orders/announcements will come from his visit.
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 06:53 AM   #6025
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 04:26 PM   #6026
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 05:29 PM   #6027
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PH-BHA KLM LN356 currently has no Business Class Premier cabin installed due to Zodiac delays. Currently moved to storage behind the EDC Stall 114
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 07:44 PM   #6028
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B-2763 Xiamen is inside the Everett plant for the Chinese President.

Inside Boeing's Everett factory. Planes positioned. Waiting on #ChinesePresident. Expecting large order. Other news.



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Old September 23rd, 2015, 08:24 PM   #6029
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 11:54 PM   #6030
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Boeing put up a press release on their website.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-09-...ation-Industry

No specific orders were mentioned, just the numbers:

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Aircraft orders and commitments include:

- (240) airplanes for Chinese airlines, including (190) 737s and 50 widebody aircraft
- (60) 737s for leasing companies ICBC and CDB Leasing

Orders are posted on Boeing's Orders & Deliveries website after all contingencies are cleared.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-09-...ation-Industry

The 50 widebody orders are rumored to include the 747, the 777 & the 787. The last bit of the statement also suggest that there are new orders, it's not just the already booked unidentified ones. Tomorrows update of the orders and delivery page could already shed some more light on the exact distribution of the orders between the 3 types.
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Old September 24th, 2015, 04:27 AM   #6031
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Air India's B787's

Till date Air India has taken delivery of 21 B787's. These are being operated on mostly long haul flights to USA, Far East, Europe and Australia. At an average there is one flight (some times more), that the aircraft develops an in-flight snag, and has to be diverted. Most of the snags are electrical equipment failures. Further, Boeing is not in a position to supply critical spares for the B787. Air India has grounded a new 787 since January 2015, to cannibalize it for spares, to keep the rest of the 787's flying.

There seems to be no product support for the B787's from Boeing, they have no spares to supply. Read the full article in the Times of India of 24th. September.




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Asian airlines may elevate Boeing back to its position as the world's No1 commercial aircraft manufacturer this year, with regional carriers accounting for 70 per cent of present orders for its new Dreamliner aircraft, the company said yesterday.

In the year since Boeing's sales team took the B787 to the market, it has received 237 firm orders and commitments - worth US$28.44 billion at list prices - and another 429 "active proposals", mostly from Asia.

Michel Bair, vice-president of the B787 programme, said orders had "clearly exceeded expectations" for the aircraft, which will not make its first commercial flight until mid-2008.

"We have been absolutely overwhelmed by the market response," Mr Bair said during a conference call yesterday. "We are starting to struggle with the availability of [delivery] positions. We are fully booked for 2008 and 2009; we have a couple of slots left in 2010, and 2011 and 2012 are filling quickly."

All the sales activity prompted Boeing's head of commercial aircraft sales, Scott Carson, to tell Reuters earlier this month: "We'll beat them [Airbus] this year."

The list price for the middle of three versions of the new aircraft - the B787-800 - is US$120 million per unit. But analysts say they are probably moving for closer to US$80 million, putting the value of the firm orders at closer to US$19 billion.

Manufacturers routinely offer discounts to kick-start a new product's sales momentum, a fact acknowledged by Mr Bair yesterday.

"We'd love to get catalogue prices for our aircraft, but that's not the way it works nowadays," he said.

China, which Mr Bair said played a role in the B787's design capabilities, has been responsible for 60 of the firm orders and commitments to date. Japan's All Nippon Airways was the launch customer with 50 units of the shorter range 787-300 version, while on Tuesday Air India brought South Asia into the equation with an order for 20 Dreamliners, valued at US$2.4 billion at list prices.

"Geographically, about 70 per cent of orders are coming from the Asia theatre," Mr Bair said. "The Asian carriers are doing so well in such a robust market that the orders are skewed that way."

The 17 member carriers of the Association of Asia-Pacific Airlines yesterday said the number of international passengers they carried had continued to expand in the first quarter, up an aggregate 7 per cent on last year's strong performance.

Boeing designed the B787 as a replacement for its ageing B767. According to Mr Bair, it can fly 2,500 nautical miles further than its predecessor, burns 20 per cent less fuel and carries 50 per cent more cargo.

The "vast majority" of the orders so far have been for the B787-800 version, which can carry 217 passengers up to 15,700km.

A commitment from Cathay Pacific has eluded Boeing.

"We are talking to them," said Mr Bair. "They are in a unique position because of the flows in and out of Hong Kong, which tends to have them look at larger rather than smaller aircraft. But we are talking to them."

Boeing said last night its first-quarter earnings fell 14 per cent to US$535 million.
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Till date Air India has taken delivery of 21 B787's. These are being operated on mostly long haul flights to USA, Far East, Europe and Australia. At an average there is one flight (some times more), that the aircraft develops an in-flight snag, and has to be diverted. Most of the snags are electrical equipment failures. Further, Boeing is not in a position to supply critical spares for the B787. Air India has grounded a new 787 since January 2015, to cannibalize it for spares, to keep the rest of the 787's flying.

There seems to be no product support for the B787's from Boeing, they have no spares to supply. Read the full article in the Times of India of 24th. September.
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Old September 24th, 2015, 11:15 AM   #6034
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The article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/49082875.cms


Boeing's response in the article:

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Boeing's senior vice president (sales for Asia Pacific and India) Dinesh Keskar told TOI that he knew the aircraft is grounded from the first quarter of this year. "The issue is of spare part availability. We went through review of how many parts are needed. A lot been collected by now and is in the store at Mumbai. A handful of parts are remaining. Once all parts are there, Boeing and AI people will install them. The plane will be ready to fly in November."

He admitted: "Certainly it's a long grounding. None of my customers in Asia have any grounding.... We are interested in all planes flying. That's how airlines make money."
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/49082875.cms


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No sign of any large Chinese orders on Boeing's weekly order update, just 1 undisclosed order for 2 787s.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries


The update is for the orders up to 09/22, one day before yesterdays announcement.
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Till date Air India has taken delivery of 21 B787's. These are being operated on mostly long haul flights to USA, Far East, Europe and Australia. At an average there is one flight (some times more), that the aircraft develops an in-flight snag, and has to be diverted. Most of the snags are electrical equipment failures. Further, Boeing is not in a position to supply critical spares for the B787. Air India has grounded a new 787 since January 2015, to cannibalize it for spares, to keep the rest of the 787's flying.

There seems to be no product support for the B787's from Boeing, they have no spares to supply. Read the full article in the Times of India of 24th. September.
So what sets Air India's experience apart from all of other operators of the 787?

Inquiring minds want to know...
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N811AB American LN364 at Ramp 40-51

N811AB American Airlines Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 40629 / LN 364 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

A7-BCY Qatar LN 354 at the fuel dock.

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ZK-NZH Air New Zealand LN351 in 40-24 tonight.

ZK-NZH Air New Zealand Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 37964 / LN 351 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

PH-BHA KLM LN356 was moved back into 40-24 for additional work.

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787 not wide enough

3 3 3 was bad on qatar even though flight attendance service was good


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