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Old February 7th, 2016, 07:39 PM   #6501
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It's just minimum for delivery at certification standard. These will be stripped during VIP cabin furnishing, probably side walls too.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 01:41 AM   #6502
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LN402 ZB182 N27965 B787-9 for United Airlines landing after B1 flight today:


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Old February 10th, 2016, 10:32 AM   #6503
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Interesting piece of legacy research by the FAA.

http://www.cnet.com/news/faa-warns-o...ry-explosions/

Not just whats built into the plane any more.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 01:14 PM   #6504
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Lithium-ion batteries as cargo have brought down planes, lithium-ion batteries used in planes have not.

If airlines would transport these batteries in the same type of casing, including monitoring as Boeing uses for the 787 lithium-ion batteries the FAA would not have to warn them.

It's a bit like jet fuel, transported as cargo it's a big nono, but in the regular fueltanks it's not a problem.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 05:23 PM   #6505
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LN383 ZB605 HZ-ARC 787-9 FOR Saudi Arabian Airlines contractually delivered yesterday.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 05:24 PM   #6506
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LN383 ZB605 HZ-ARC 787-9 FOR Saudi Arabian Airlines contractually delivered yesterday.

Flyaway scheduled today at 10:12

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA9030
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Old February 10th, 2016, 07:53 PM   #6507
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LN381 ZB236 PH-BHD 3rd B787-9 for AerCap/KLM - Royal Dutch Airlines delivery flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/K...200Z/KPAE/EHAM
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Old February 11th, 2016, 05:52 AM   #6508
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@WoodyAeroimages when is LN 22 rolling out of paint and are they painting in Air Austral Livery or White ?
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LN381 ZB236 PH-BHD 3rd B787-9 for AerCap/KLM - Royal Dutch Airlines delivery flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/K...200Z/KPAE/EHAM
Here is shot of it's flyaway.

PH-BHD KLM Royal Dutch Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 38763 / LN 381 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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Old February 11th, 2016, 06:50 AM   #6510
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@WoodyAeroimages when is LN 22 rolling out of paint and are they painting in Air Austral Livery or White ?
It will be in full Air Austral livery and should be back any day from VCV.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 10:27 AM   #6511
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LN410 ZA487 A7-BDB B787-8 for Qatar Airways was rolled out from FAL to 40-51 apron:

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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:00 PM   #6512
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SEC checks the Boeing sells of the 787. Share fell by around 10%

It will be interesting to see what happened.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 10:50 PM   #6513
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The feds are checking on 'programme accounting' for the 747 and 787 programmes only. Programme accounting in itself is fine in principle but a whistleblower sent them looking at aspects of it. The stock market is very jittery and on other days the share price would be unaffected.

Story in full.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...747-accounting

The problem is explained well below. At the point where Boeing 'know' there is a loss they must take a writeoff of what they know. They took no writeoff to date.

http://www.seattletimes.com/business...ore-skeptical/

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Old February 11th, 2016, 11:14 PM   #6514
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Boeing uses this program accounting to spread the costs of the development of the 747-8 and the 787 over a longer period of time. In the case the 787 the cost are spread over a account block of 1,200 deliveries. By doing this Boeing deferred a large part of the cost overruns of the 787 program into future years while at the same time posting positive results every year.

The aim of this investigation is too see if Boeing obscured loses that could have had a negative impact on the stock prices. One of the focus points is to see if Boeing will actually be able to deliver the number of planes in the accounting block. As for the 787 I don't really see an issue here, as they will be able to deliver 1,200 787s, or even a higher number if the accounting block will be increased even further. It's a different story for 747, for which I don't know the accounting block, but it could easily too large considering the recently announced rate reductions.

At the end of the day it won't have any impact on the 747 and 787 programs, the only effect it will have is the financial result that Boeing will has to publish. If the SEC decide that Boeing will have to account those deferred costs earlier then Boeing currently plans it will have a negative effect on the financial results. And maybe also on any future programs that Boeing will be developing, trying to keep the costs down as much as possible.


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Old February 12th, 2016, 04:22 PM   #6515
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HZ-ARC 3rd B789 for Saudia (built in Charleston) delivery flight yesterday:

Around KPAE 2-11-16 by moonm, on Flickr


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Everett flightline (click for full size):


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Old February 12th, 2016, 08:54 PM   #6516
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Ethiopian Airlines - by András Soós

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Old February 12th, 2016, 09:23 PM   #6517
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Boeing uses this program accounting to spread the costs of the development of the 747-8 and the 787 over a longer period of time. In the case the 787 the cost are spread over a account block of 1,200 deliveries. By doing this Boeing deferred a large part of the cost overruns of the 787 program into future years while at the same time posting positive results every year.

The aim of this investigation is too see if Boeing obscured loses that could have had a negative impact on the stock prices. One of the focus points is to see if Boeing will actually be able to deliver the number of planes in the accounting block. As for the 787 I don't really see an issue here, as they will be able to deliver 1,200 787s, or even a higher number if the accounting block will be increased even further. It's a different story for 747, for which I don't know the accounting block, but it could easily too large considering the recently announced rate reductions.

At the end of the day it won't have any impact on the 747 and 787 programs, the only effect it will have is the financial result that Boeing will has to publish. If the SEC decide that Boeing will have to account those deferred costs earlier then Boeing currently plans it will have a negative effect on the financial results. And maybe also on any future programs that Boeing will be developing, trying to keep the costs down as much as possible.


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The 747-8 block they need to sell an additional 35 planes to break even in their accounting block, however it doesn't look like they will achieve this with production lines only being kept open to produce Air Force One replacements. However they have already booked significant write downs on the program so doesn't look to be a major issue other than that Boeing is still claiming it will sell enough to break even and claiming it will sell a load of freighter versions at the end of the decade when it knows from its own internal forecasts it wont. The SEC is concerned with them not admitting to shareholders the plane will have been a commercial failure though they have been generally following good practise in booking at least some writedowns on it.

The 787 programme is more significant, while they have been spreading the development costs which is a fair enough practise they have also been selling the planes at a significant loss in purely manufacturing terms even before development costs are amortised. They have made a $30bn loss on the manufacturing costs of the first 387 aircraft delivered and they wont be breaking even in purely manufacturing terms on each unit produced until the 600th aircraft delivered due to early cost overruns, disastrous initial supply chain setup and manufacturing efficiencies (each aircraft being cheaper to produce than the ones before) being slower to realise than planned. The main issue is whether the remaining aircraft in the accounting block after 600th will produce enough money to repay the losses on the first 600 as well as the models development costs. Credit Suisse is currently forecasting that at the end of the Accounting Block they will have made a $7.5bn loss on the 787 programme. There is no suggestion however that they wont have sold enough to fill the accounting block they initially allocated to amortise development costs over.

The whistleblower has handed over to SEC internal documents showing that demand will be lower and production efficiencies slower to realise than the company has been telling shareholders. The SEC is primarily concerned with whether Boeing should not only have made multibillion dollar writedowns on the 787 programme but should have done so some time ago. To not have made the writedowns of losses the company has known for more than a year it would make the company has possibly been misleading shareholders, an SEC offense.
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Old February 13th, 2016, 04:19 PM   #6518
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LN14 ZD004 switched position with KC-46A inside 40-24. Still no engines, but re-work is progressing.


Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 34498 / LN 14 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr


Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 34498 / LN 14 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr


16-46005 USAF Boeing KC-46A Pegasus (767-2LK) (VH005) - C/N 41852 / LN 1091 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr
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The SEC is primarily concerned with whether Boeing should not only have made multibillion dollar writedowns on the 787 programme but should have done so some time ago. To not have made the writedowns of losses the company has known for more than a year it would make the company has possibly been misleading shareholders, an SEC offense.
The SEC timing is fairly dismal what with Boeing under pressure to develop a new Midrange/size 757 replacement after the 787-3 basically failed in the market..and the a330-200neo stole right into that slot along with the a321neo too it seems.

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The 787-3 was a 787-8 sized plane, just with shorter wings for the smaller Japanese airports. What Boeing is looking into is new plane sized between the 737-9 and the 787-8.

It should also be noted that it's all accounting. Everything has already been paid for, it's just that the losses are not yet booked as losses, therefor they haven't influenced the financial results yet. Now it's expected that Boeing won't be able to recoup these losses within the current accounting block with the remaining cash-flow positive deliveries. Resulting in worse financial result compared to what Boeing predicted and shareholders expected, but not influencing the cash-flow.

But with the the 787 deliveries going cash-flow positive it will mean that cash will come in, which will have a positive effect on the amount of money that Boeing on it's bank account. The money they need to pay the bills that will come in when they decide to start to develop a new program. Boeing is sitting on a lot cash, they still have the money to develop a new program.

The bigger issue for the cash-flow is the competition from Airbus which puts pressure on the prices that Boeing can sell their 737s and 787s for. Plus the gap between the 777 NG and the 777X, which will mean fewer deliveries of this cash-cow for Boeing.
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