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Old April 27th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #681
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Great pics from the production line!


...i haven´t seen so many screens in a cockpit before
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Old April 27th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #682
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Are those routes actually confirmed, in other words have you got proof?

On the internet I only found something where Rio de Janeiro was hinted as a future destination, but just as a possibility to what is possible with the range of the plane.
When it comes to Norwegian, they have hinted at routes to Rio, Cape Town, Hawaii and several potential chinese cities.

Knowing the scandinavian market well, I think Rio is the route with the highest market potential there, so I'd give it a 95% chanse of comming.

In regards to Cape Town and Hawaii I think those are just examples of routes they have just thrown out. The potential of scandinavian intercontinental flights are towards america and asia. Not africa seeing that would be on the other side of europe. So the chanse of taking market shares from the rest of europe would be miniscule. Hawaii could be a potential seeing Norwegian is now putting its long distance flight headquarters in Bangkok. So you might see a BKK - Hawaii flight. On the other hand, I have no idea how large of a market that would have. As for chinese cities a huge problem is that we require visa's to travel there from europe. If it had been enough to go by passport, I think we could have seen alot of different options, but right now only hong kong seems like a good option. But the hong kong route does have strong competition from cathay through london, or from qatar airways through qatar. Shanghai has a great market potential too, and the competition on that route is very limited, but then again you require visa... On the beijing route, Finnair is a strong competitior although a bit more expensive. So shanghai has the best chance there. Although airport expenditures might move them to pick another city nearby instead. So seeing something like Nanjing or Hangzhou wouldn't surprice me either if Pudong/Hongqiao prices themselves out.

Back to the norwegian market, and I see huge potentials towards Orlando or Miami, Florida. Or even Cancun, although the competition on the cancun route seems to grow in the comming years. So there may be other routes not mentionned that could intervene with the ones mentionned as potential destinations. I think we will see 4-6 destinations in total here (minus the 2 to NY and BKK)

The problem with HK and Miami/Orlando as destinations is that a connecting flight from BKK and NY could be financially smarter. but if we do see those routes, it won't be more than 1 or 2 times a week.
Cancun and Shanghai has a larger potential in regards to connecting flights being less of a competition, although the markets themselves are smaller.

Rio doesn't have any of these issues. The offshore, shipping and energy sector in Brazil near Rio has close ties to the scandinavian sector in those areas. You have alot of work on infrastructure going on in that region of brazil, so access to sao paulo is improving. And you have alot of potential in tourism. People go there today and it is hard to get a roudtrip for less than 9000nok. Norwegian with its comming cost policy will easily put the prce down to at least 4500. Pluss you have the football world cup and olympics comming up in Rio, handing Norwegian a huge potential to market the route.

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Old April 27th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #683
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Cape Town should definately be on their radar for seasonal flights at least.
Currently South Africa receives between 9 - 10 0000 visitors from Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Norway) excl. Finland monthly during the South African summer season. Between 3-4 000 in the quieter months.
Sweden often falls around the top 10 tourist markets to South Africa. Norway alone represents about 25-30% of the Scandinavian total, so above 2000 a month in peak periods. That alone should be able to sustain at least 2 or 3 weekly flights, and ofcourse with nonstop flights and cheaper fares the market will be boosted...the Scandinavian market kept growing over the last few years through bad economic times...
And ofcourse there is also South Africans travelling to Scandinavia!
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Old April 27th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #684
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the Scandinavian market kept growing over the last few years through bad economic times...
Interresting that you mention this, because scandinavia doesn't have bad economic times at all. Denmark and Finland might have some issues with Nokia etc, but Norway and Sweden is flying through the "crisis" without any setbacks.

Now you have to look at Europe in a divided fashion. Some countries here haven't been much affected at all when it comes to peoples salarises and expenditures.

And what is striking about the tourism industry is that europeans don't want to save money on not going on vacation, but we want more for our money when travelling. So delivering cheap flights to cheaper countries in other continents is a booming industry here.

Perhaps you are right about Cape Town.
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Old April 27th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #685
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Old April 27th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #686
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Old May 7th, 2012, 07:28 PM   #687
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It looks like Air India won't be flying their 787 to Melbourne anytime soon.

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Air India to use Dreamliner on domestic routes to cut cost

New Delhi: Air India plans to deploy the Boeing-787 Dreamliner aircraft on domestic routes to save on fuel, train the crew and add flexibility to its operations by flying out to select overseas destinations.

The first of the 27 Boeing 787 aircraft is expected to join the fleet at the end of the month.

“A key feature of the aircraft is fuel saving; it consumes 20 percent less fuel than other aircraft. The proposal to deploy the aircraft on domestic routes will help us save on high jet fuel cost which is on domestic routes,” a senior Air India official told IANS.

The domestic air turbine fuel (ATF) prices have been a huge concern for the aviation industry, as the jet fuel sold domestically is 50-60 percent higher than international prices due to the addition of sales tax and value added tax by the states.

“Initially we have proposed that the aircraft be utilised on some domestic routes such as Mumbai-Delhi. This is being proposed keeping in mind the high-end corporate as well as general demand in the sector,” the official said, not wishing to be named.

According to the official, the aircraft could also fly out to Dubai and Singapore.

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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:47 PM   #688
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From American Airlines Facebook page, posted today.

https://www.facebook.com/aa

"Tomorrow we’ll give you a sneak peek into the future of American Airlines. What do you think it is? Dream big!"



Also on their twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/AmericanAir/st...752448/photo/1

Guess who retweeted this news...... Boeing.


Will AA finally firm up their 787 order? They reached a purchase agreement with Boeing for 42 787-9's (+58 rights) in 2008 but it was never firmed up. Since they are still under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection it would be quite something if they will announce something big as this. .
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Old May 13th, 2012, 07:56 PM   #689
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They have a net of -6 orders for the 787 this year after 25 cancellations so they really need some positive sales news.
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The AA order didn't get firmed up on Friday. But that should happen later this year otherwise the agreement will expire, and it doesn't look like AA will let that happen. On top of that the Farnborough Airshow 2012 is coming up in July, you can count on some more orders there. Like for Qatar Airways that will be showcasing their 1st delivered 787 at the show. Since they still have 30 options this might be a good moment to firm up some of those options. As JAL and Air New Zealand have already done earlier this year, it's very likely that more airlines will follow. I doubt that this year will end with a negative sales number for the 787.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 04:55 PM   #691
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From American Airlines Facebook page, posted today.

https://www.facebook.com/aa

"Tomorrow we’ll give you a sneak peek into the future of American Airlines. What do you think it is? Dream big!"



Also on their twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/AmericanAir/st...752448/photo/1

Guess who retweeted this news...... Boeing.


Will AA finally firm up their 787 order? They reached a purchase agreement with Boeing for 42 787-9's (+58 rights) in 2008 but it was never firmed up. Since they are still under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection it would be quite something if they will announce something big as this. .
the AA livery is meh.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #692
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Air Nirgeria orders 4 B787s :

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Air Nigeria has embarked on a growth plan to emerge as one of a few African airlines to own the high capacity but cost efficient Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft, as the airline has ordered and will be paying for four of the airplanes to ply its international routes. The planes will be delivered by the third quarter of 2014.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/...r-jets/115700/
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Will Ethiopian be receiving their 787s shortly, in-time for the planned launch of Johannesburg and Dubai flights on 15 June?
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the AA livery is meh.
that's exactly what was on my mind watching it
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the AA livery is meh.
That's the problem with the composite body of the 787, you can't have the standard shiny aluminum look of the other AA planes.

The grey livery in the picture is just a recreation of the livery they had on their A300s for some time back in the day.
http://widebodyaircraft.nl/a300-30.htm

They are considering a new livery for 787 that will most likely be different then the one in the picture.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...update-371852/

Their order is depending on the approval of the pilots who have to sign a new contract with AA before the order can be firmed.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...pilots-371853/

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All small orders count, and since the 787 is fantastic airplane for these kind of smaller airlines we will see more of these orders in the coming years.

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Will Ethiopian be receiving their 787s shortly, in-time for the planned launch of Johannesburg and Dubai flights on 15 June?
The latest new article about the delivery date of the Ethiopian 787s states: "with deliveries to start later this year". And that is also more realistic looking at the current status of their 3 787s that are still waiting for the necessary rework at the Boeing factory in Everett.
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That's the problem with the composite body of the 787, you can't have the standard shiny aluminum look of the other AA planes.
actually, this looks much better than chrome shiny livery (which is so 70es). but it is probably the most boring livery in the world.
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Even though there are already 2 assembled 787s for LAN waiting for modifications the 1st 787 they will receive is going into final assembly. This one won't need rework and can be delivered straight out of the factory, although it usually takes just over a month between assembly and delivery. This means that it could be delivered in August. But LAN also say that the delivery will take place at the end of 2012, somehow they have decided to wait a bit longer.

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LAN’s first 787 Dreamliner enters Boeing’s final assembly factory

LAN’s first 787 Dreamliner entered final body join Tuesday at Boeing’s final assembly factory in Everett, Washington. Final body join is the first step in final assembly of this super-efficient airplane. Major parts for LAN’s 787 entered Boeing’s factory last week. LAN will be the first Latin American carrier to operate the 787 when they take delivery of the first airplane later this year.

The 787 assemblies come to Everett in several completed sections from around the world by Boeing’s custom-built 747 Dreamlifter. After going through Pre-integration, where some assembly work was performed, LAN’s 787 was moved into what is called Position 1, or final body join. During final body join, the seven major pieces become one including the wings. Systems installation also begins in Position 1.

The next steps include the airplane going to the paint hangar, the installment of the interior of the cabin, and final tests before delivery to LAN towards the end of 2012.

LAN Airlines Boeing 787 Dreamliner

LAN will be the first airline in Latin America, and one of the first in the world, to receive this aircraft, with the first delivery expected in late 2012 and delivery of 32 total aircraft over the next 10 years. This represents an investment of U.S. $3.5 billion and marks one of the largest investments in the Company’s history. The configuration of the cabin on the first LAN 787-8 aircraft will include 217 Economy class seats and 30 seats for Premium Business class.


The destinations the LAN 787-8 will service during its first year of operations will be Santiago, Chile, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Lima, Peru, Los Angeles, California, Madrid, Spain and Frankfurt, Germany. These routes will be gradually integrated during the aircraft’s first year of service.

full official press release:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...sembly-factory

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For this month it looks like there will just be 1 delivery, Air India should receive their 1st 787. The reason for the slowdown in deliveries this month is a Flight Management Computer (FMC) software update. That requires extra testing that is being done with a 787 destined for ANA. Above the front doors there's a sticker that says "experimental". It also has an N registry, and not it's future JL registry like the other 787s had for their regular delivery test flights for JAL and ANA. You can see it all on this recent video.

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Momo1435, thanks for the news!

I believe the third quarter of 2012 will bring us a steady line of 787's deliveries.
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United announced a new 787 route, Denver - Tokyo Narita from March 2013.
http://airlineroute.net/2012/05/22/ua-dennrt-s13/

So therefor an update of my 787 routes list.


Confirmed 787 Routes:

ANA

operating:

domestic:
Haneda - Yamaguchi
Haneda - Matsuyama
Haneda - Osaka Itami
Haneda - Yamaguchi Ube
Haneda - Hiroshima
Haneda - Fukuoka
Haneda - Kagoshima

international:
Haneda - Beijing
Haneda - Frankfurt

announced:

Haneda - Kumamoto (June 2012)
Narita - Seattle (late 2012)
Narita - San Jose (spring 2013)


JAL

operating:
Narita - Boston
Haneda - Beijing
Narita - Dehli
Narita - Moscow

announced:

Narita - Singapore (September 2012)
Haneda - Singapore (September 2012)
Narita - San Diego (December 2012)
Narita - Helsinki (March 2013)
http://www.jal.co.jp/en/787/rosen.html


Ethiopian Airlines

Addis Ababa – Johannesburg
Addis Ababa – Dubai
Addis Ababa – Guangzhou
Addis Ababa – Harare
Addis Ababa – Lusaka


Air India

Domestic routes & Singapore, Hong Kong
Delhi - Melbourne (?)


LAN

Santiago - Buenos Aires,
Santiago - Lima - Los Angeles
Santiago - Madrid - Frankfurt


LOT Polish Airlines

Warsaw - Chicago (January 2013)


Qatar Airways

Doha - London Heathrow
Doha - Atlanta
Doha - Chicago
Doha - Boston
Doha - Detroit


United

Houston - Auckland
Denver – Tokyo Narita (March 2013)


Hainan

Shanghai – San Francisco
Shanghai - Newark


Royal Air Maroc

Casablanca - Washington DC
Casablanca - Sao Paulo


Jetstar

Singapore - Auckland
Melbourne - Singapore
Singapore - Beijing


Air Canada

No routes have been announced yet but only the Canadian cities where they will fly the 787 from.

Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
Halifax
Edmonton
Ottawa


Norwegian Air Shuttle

Oslo - New York
Oslo - Bangkok


Thomson Airways

They will fly from:
Manchester, London Gatwick, East Midlands and Glasgow

to these 2 holiday destinations:
Cancun, Mexico and Sanford, Florida
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