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Old June 12th, 2012, 11:47 PM   #741
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When do u think, that any asian airline will fly to Mexico in the future?
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Old June 13th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #742
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Thanks for this list Momo1435.

First 787 assembled in South Carolina with its final livery :


http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/


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Old June 13th, 2012, 06:28 AM   #743
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Thanks for this list Momo1435.

First 787 assembled in South Carolina with its final livery :

That wingtip is sexy as hell XD.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #744
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Shocking colours, but wow, look at the size of those screens!! Massive for economy class!
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Old June 14th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #745
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you will probably puke when you see the business class seats
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Old June 15th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #746
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Air India does have funky interiors, I don't think that many people appreciate it but it does set them apart from most of the airlines that just have a standard interior.
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When do u think, that any asian airline will fly to Mexico in the future?
I don't know, but with all the European airlines going to Mexico City it must be on the list of airlines like China Southern or Korean Air. It could be a good stop overfor an Asia - South America flight, avoiding all the pre-boarding customs hassle if such a flight has a stop over in the USA.



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Anyway, there's some news about the current state of deliveries and 787s that are in assembly.

Here's a picture taken yesterday (June 13) of the assembly line in Everett just before the latest 787 for ANA (LN67) is pushed out.




source: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2012/06/pai...d-june-13.html <-- a very good place to visit if you like to follow the 787 production.

The other 787 in the hall are the 1st one for LAN (LN68), another one for ANA (LN69) and the last one is for Air India (LN70). And in the back you see the parts for LN71 for Ethiopian Airlines.

The 787 for ANA that came out of the hall went directly to the paint booth, it's the 1st production 787 that is painted straight out of assembly. It should be delivered in July. If the next one in the assembly line will go directly to the paint booth we will see the 1st 787 in full LAN colors in about 2 weeks time. But before that we see the 1st 787 for Qatar in it's final livery, because that one is also currently in the paint booth. This will be the 787 that Qatar Airways will showcase at the Farnborough Air Show next month, but it won't be officially delivered until after the airshow. A 3rd 787 that is in the paint booth now is the LN7 that will go to ANA. This is actually the 1st production 787 after the 6 prototypes, it will be delivered next month 3 years after it's assembly.

In other production news, the surge line that Boeing is setting up in Everett to increase the production rate is ready but it won't start building new 787 before September as they will use the line 1st for rework on the already assembled planes.

The surge line will also be the line where the 1st 787-9 will be produced. Boeing says they are ahead of plan with the development for the longer version of this plane. It should go into production next year for a delivery in early 2014.


That brings us to the deliveries.

ANA is almost certain to take 3 787s this month and another 3 next month. They will also take their 1st 787 in full domestic lay-out, with a 9 abreast seating in economy compared to 8 abreast in the earlier ones. It will have 335 seats compared to the 264 seats in the other domestic lay-out and the 158 in the international lay-out.

The Indian cabinet committee that will decide on Boeing compensation offer should come together at the end of this week, so that probably tomorrow. So we should know soon enough if they will also take 3 787s this month.

That will mean that 6 787s will be delivered this month.


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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...til-4q-372886/
http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2012...l-but-certain/
http://nyc787.blogspot.com
http://kpae.blogspot.com


Ps. the Lion Air/Batik Air order has been firmed up and is now showing in Boeings order list for this year.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

This brings the gross order count for this year to 24 and the net order count to -1. With Farnborough next month it should be back into the positive numbers soon.
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Old June 15th, 2012, 05:04 AM   #747
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Air India does have funky interiors, I don't think that many people appreciate it but it does set them apart from most of the airlines that just have a standard interior.
I like the seats in economy thats not the issue. But if you look at the seats in business they are just disaster in terms of how they look. I wont complain though if the seats are comfortable and worth spending your money on.

Check out the video here

http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-insid...eats-cabin-yet
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Old June 15th, 2012, 07:27 AM   #748
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I like the seats in economy thats not the issue. But if you look at the seats in business they are just disaster in terms of how they look. I wont complain though if the seats are comfortable and worth spending your money on.

Check out the video here

http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-insid...eats-cabin-yet
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Old June 16th, 2012, 06:00 AM   #749
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Boeing Co. is walking a delicate line in China between helping nurture a customer's aerospace capability and preparing for its partner's emergence as a rival, the planemaker's regional chief said.

A strategy of collaborating while girding for competition emerged after senior leaders analyzed jet-development programs worldwide, Boeing China President Marc Allen said yesterday.

China was identified as the most-formidable foe among a group that included Canada, Russia and Japan, he said.

Boeing's China ventures have helped build what Allen said is a 53 percent share of the local aviation market, the second-biggest worldwide for new planes behind the U.S.

The Asian country is nearing the planned 2016 debut of the C919, its first narrow-body jet, which will compete with Boeing's 737 in the biggest segment of the global aircraft market.

"A new competitor in the form of the C919 is OK - it's actually a good thing, as it will lead us all to run faster and sharpen ourselves," Allen said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Beijing. "But we also want to be a collaborator, so we have to balance the two."

Boeing, based in Chicago, is the largest buyer of airplane components and parts in China, he said, with 35 direct suppliers and hundreds of secondary vendors. He declined to give a figure for value of parts purchased.

The company's China investments include a manufacturing innovation center opening next year with Aviation Industry Corp. of China, the nation's biggest aerospace company. It plans a joint research center in Beijing to study ways to pare fuel use and emissions, and has spent US$21 million to expand a composites production center in Tianjin.



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The 168-seat C919, being developed by AVIC-backed Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China, is scheduled to make its maiden flight in 2014 and enter commercial service in 2016.

Meeting the targets would be a step that has eluded Boeing and Airbus SAS in recent years, with the former's 787 Dreamliner and the latter's A350 both suffering delays.

One way for Boeing to avoid the danger of giving away too much intellectual property to a nascent competitor is joint development of new products with a Chinese partner rather than using technology the company has honed on its own, Allen said.

"We come in the spirit of co-creation," he said.

"If we're going to do things that involve new IP, we'll do them with our partners so it's shared IP and something we've already made a decision on," he said. "In that sense we don't feel that there's a risk of bringing something into the marketplace that we're going to lose."

Allen said Boeing has no plans to open an assembly line in China, as Airbus did in 2008 with a mandate to piece together 284 single-aisle planes by mid-2016 for the Chinese market.

McDonnell Douglas, which was purchased by Boeing in 1997, opened an assembly line for its MD80 in China in the early 1990s. That venture was shut down after fewer than 40 planes were built.

"We want to always be ahead of the curve," Allen said. "Being here with the production facilities we have and the suppliers we have positions us ahead of the curve in what is one of the fastest capability-growth markets in the world."

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Old June 17th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #750
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Boeing's being really smart here. China will rise, whether Boeing plays along or not, so why not be part of it? Ify ou can't beat em, join em you know.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 12:50 PM   #751
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you will probably puke when you see the business class seats
Yeah I've seen them, they look completely shocking.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 02:19 PM   #752
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yeah Boeing is playing it smart with china. well or at least they think they are.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #753
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yeah Boeing is playing it smart with china. well or at least they think they are.
Boeing and airbus will always be the major players in the air plane market. I dont think the Chinese company has the man power or money to compete with either big air plane company.

Plus Im sure Boeing has other plans / materials in the process of being tested or created that is ahead of what they are "sharing" with the china company.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #754
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Boeing and airbus will always be the major players in the air plane market. I dont think the Chinese company has the man power or money to compete with either big air plane company.

Plus Im sure Boeing has other plans / materials in the process of being tested or created that is ahead of what they are "sharing" with the china company.
If there's anything the Chinese have is the money, that's for sure. What they lack is the know how.
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Russians have Know how but I dont know why they stopped trying with long haul planes.
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The 29 built Ilyushin Il-96 says enough about the Russian ambitions.

It didn't stand a chance on the international market. It came into service around the same time as the Airbus A330 and the Boeing 777 that have far better economics. And the Russian aviation industry was also a big mess just after the fall of the Soviet Union, this had a very negative impact on the number of orders from Russia.

And before they knew it they were behind on the technology front. And since nowadays you can only compete on this market if you design a plane that is equal or better then the 787 or the A350 you really cannot make a big impact on the international market. With the narrowbody market being much bigger there's more room in the market to develop a plane and have enough sales to turn an investment into a profit. And if you come with a good product and earn the trust on the international market you can make an impact. As Embraer shows as a Brazilian manufacturer, with a 1,000 orders for their E-Jet planes they have shown that a company from a non western country can get big orders from many established airlines.

As Chinese and Russian manufactures also gain this trust from the international market with big orders for their new narrowbody planes they can come closer to Airbus and Boeing in the market. But that won't happen before the 787 has hit the 2,000 orders.


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Anyway, still no news on the Air India situation concerning the 787 deliveries. The ongoing pilot strike that is also about pilot training for the 787 seems to be the bigger issue right now. We have to be patient.
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I am sure if Russians incorporate western tech, like they do now they can build a plane as good as 787.

But that would take time and a lot of money and effort. So yea I guess starting over with Sukhoi series is good idea for the Russians.
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yeah underestimating the Russians is naive. Remember Google is half Russian.
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Any China built aircraft can't loose cause the country will make sure the domestic airlines will place significant orders since there's is the last word period. Wouldn't be surprised they make sure imported airframes loose market share due to less orders.

Add China's regional hegimony, throw in the likes of Ryanair, etc, etc, and you have yourself a winner, and the rest of the family comes to the party. A single aisle contender gets a mid size family member in the future, and bada bing bada bang ultra large capacity in our life time.

A little off topic, but imagine China go shopping for an engine developer/manufacturer like Prat, Rolls, or who knows maybe even GE. Throw in avionics, etc, etc, buy outs n look out.

They will do what they do best, copy, paste, cut throat prices. Americans, nor Europeans can't match those kind of prices, and hence we have a third party contender when it comes to airline man..............

May we live in interesting times.

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yeah underestimating the Russians is naive. Remember Google is half Russian.
Overestimating the Russians is even more naive.

Google is 100 percent let's say ...ish!!!!!!!!!!!!! as most other things of real material/financial value.
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