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Old September 26th, 2012, 07:25 PM   #961
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Hi all

Great to finally join this great forum.

Didnt really know where to post this but anyway, there's a rather insightful look at the 777X development on the site below.

http://www.strategicaeroresearch.com...ens-777x-path/

Sadly its pay per view so I cant see it, but there are some corresponding Tweets from the site that give away details of the content.

https://twitter.com/StratAero

What I find most interesting is that an Arabian airline is likely to launch the 777X. Any ideas who that will be? I know many will say Emirates Airline, but can we really rule out the likes of Qatar Airways, for example?
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Old September 26th, 2012, 07:43 PM   #962
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Boeing already announced they will not launch the 77X this year because they will focus on the 787-10 instead.

Maybe 2013 will see the launch of the 77X, and lets not forget the DAS will take place next year so maybe thats where we will see an EK/Boeing launch.
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Boeing already announced they will not launch the 77X this year because they will focus on the 787-10 instead.

Maybe 2013 will see the launch of the 77X, and lets not forget the DAS will take place next year so maybe thats where we will see an EK/Boeing launch.
Talk is that the airlines are not interested in the 777-8X, the new somewhat smaller version of the 777-300ER. It's now predicted that Boeing will target the 777-200ER and the A330-300 replacement market and the A350-900 with just the 787-10. The 777-9X will take on the A350-1000, and because the latter is delayed Boeing is in no hurry to launch the 777X program. Although they have already formed a group with several airlines to further work out the 777X.

One of the problems is that the 787 style carbon fiber wings for the 777X might be too expensive. Therefor they are looking at cutting costs elsewhere or use the standard metal wings. From the different recent news articles on this topic we can conclude that Boeing isn't really sure what to do yet. Emirates could be one of the main factors on how it will turn out. If they make a big order you will see that the design will move towards their preferences.

But the 787-10 does indeed look like it will have a launch at the end of this year or early 2013. But it will only be after the 787-9 will fly that we will see the full details on the next stretched version.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #964
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http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ has posted 10 more production slots, Line Numbers 91 to 100. These 787 will be up for delivery in early 2013.

We see the 1st 2 787s for TUI Travel -> Thomson and the 1st one for lessor ILFC that will go to Aeromexico. The other 7 are for the 'existing' costumers, including 3 for China Southern.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #965
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Old September 27th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #966
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OMG I cannot wait to see this plane in LOT's new Livery !!
How long does the painting process take?
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It can take over a week, so it will probably roll out in the 2nd half of next week. It could be a bit earlier, it could be later.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 10:34 PM   #968
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Talk is that the airlines are not interested in the 777-8X, the new somewhat smaller version of the 777-300ER. It's now predicted that Boeing will target the 777-200ER and the A330-300 replacement market and the A350-900 with just the 787-10. The 777-9X will take on the A350-1000, and because the latter is delayed Boeing is in no hurry to launch the 777X program. Although they have already formed a group with several airlines to further work out the 777X.

One of the problems is that the 787 style carbon fiber wings for the 777X might be too expensive. Therefor they are looking at cutting costs elsewhere or use the standard metal wings. From the different recent news articles on this topic we can conclude that Boeing isn't really sure what to do yet. Emirates could be one of the main factors on how it will turn out. If they make a big order you will see that the design will move towards their preferences.

But the 787-10 does indeed look like it will have a launch at the end of this year or early 2013. But it will only be after the 787-9 will fly that we will see the full details on the next stretched version.
Thanks momo, very informative.

I can see the 787-10 replacing the 333, but honestly can it compete with the 359, and it's range ? I think even the 772ER has a bit more range.

Maybe Boeing figures out how to give it more range, who knows.

For shorter segments its perfect.
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OMG I cannot wait to see this plane in LOT's new Livery !!
How long does the painting process take?
hahha what about all the Polski from Toronto, I bet they will come out to see the plane when it lands in YYZ.
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Thanks momo, very informative.

I can see the 787-10 replacing the 333, but honestly can it compete with the 359, and it's range ? I think even the 772ER has a bit more range.

Maybe Boeing figures out how to give it more range, who knows.

For shorter segments its perfect.
The A333 with the limited range could easily compete with the 772ER, it was one of the reasons why 772ER didn't get many orders anymore in the last 10 years. So range isn't everything, the fast majority of international routes is already possible with a A333. If the range is going to fall somewhere between the 789-9 and the A333 it will be a very good plane, for many airlines. And since range isn't everything, the 787-10 could easily be more economical then the A359 on many routes. And for the longer routes a Boeing customer can always use a 787-9 or a 777X.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 03:24 PM   #971
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The A333 with the limited range could easily compete with the 772ER, it was one of the reasons why 772ER didn't get many orders anymore in the last 10 years. So range isn't everything, the fast majority of international routes is already possible with a A333. If the range is going to fall somewhere between the 789-9 and the A333 it will be a very good plane, for many airlines. And since range isn't everything, the 787-10 could easily be more economical then the A359 on many routes. And for the longer routes a Boeing customer can always use a 787-9 or a 777X.
If I remember correctly I think Lufthansa said the 787-10 would be a perfect replacement for they're 333s.
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Old September 28th, 2012, 08:20 PM   #972
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ANA Airlines Grounds 5 Boeing 787 Dreamliners for Engine Issue
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The A333 with the limited range could easily compete with the 772ER, it was one of the reasons why 772ER didn't get many orders anymore in the last 10 years. So range isn't everything, the fast majority of international routes is already possible with a A333. If the range is going to fall somewhere between the 789-9 and the A333 it will be a very good plane, for many airlines. And since range isn't everything, the 787-10 could easily be more economical then the A359 on many routes. And for the longer routes a Boeing customer can always use a 787-9 or a 777X.
I have to agree with you. I flew on British Airways B772ER on half empty load, and the take off was amazing. On the other hand, I flew with Airtransat A330-300 and, I have to admit that the A330 is pretty good too, smooth as silk.
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If I remember correctly I think Lufthansa said the 787-10 would be a perfect replacement for they're 333s.
As much as I agree, germans tend to act as a big daddy and purchase different types for the political reasons to keep everyone happy. Look at their regional E-Jet fleet. What was the point of buying canadian CRJ once you have EMB fleet...
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According to some aviation insiders the 787-10 launch could already happen this month.

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787-10 decision anticipated very soon, perhaps within days

Boeing’s Board is expected to be asked very soon, perhaps at its meeting in October, to grant Authority to Offer the 787-10 to customers, according to two sources.

A Boeing spokeswoman said that ATO for the 787-10 is expected to occur before the ATO for the 777X, since the -10 is a more straight-forward project than the X, but could not confirm the October timeline.

The straight-forward stretch of the 787-9 will have less range (about 6,900nm) than either the -8 or -9 models, which comfortably top 8,000 nm but it is expected to carry around 323 passengers, putting it squarely in the class of the 777-200ER and the A350-900.

At 6,900nm, the airplane will cover most missions required by airlines. By foregoing a new wing and added fuel tankage, the operating weight of the airplane is expected to be roughly equal to the 787-9. A slightly higher-thrust engine will be required.

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With a range of 6,900nm is well above the 5,950nm range of the longer range A330-300 that Airbus launched earlier this year, it's actually quite close to the range of the A330-200.

And a quick launch could mean that there's a serious costumer that wants to as soon as possible to secure some production slots before they are taken by other 787-8 & 9 orders that keep on trickling in.

It will be interesting to see which airline or leasing company will order 787-10 first. I can also see several conversions from the -8 and -9 to the -10 after the launch.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 04:38 AM   #976
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Blergh. The interior looks pretty ghastly.
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This is a good question

1. ANA - 787 in service

2.JAL or Royal Air Maroc probably in February
3.Ethiopian Airlines should receive it mid March
4.Air India - ??
5.China Southern (July)

but if we go by the numbers:

Royal Air Maroc - ZA150 and ZA151 should be coming soon
JAL - ZA175 and ZA176
Air India - ZA230 and ZA231
Ethiopian Airlines - ZA260
China Southern - ZA381

many of these planes need Change incorporation and Re-work

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http://discussions.flightaware.com/a...87-t13952.html

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2012/01/a...her-being.html
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It looks like the 2 787s for Royal Air Maroc that are already assembled and are now waiting for rework won't to RAM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 ·

Moroccan national carrier Royal Air Maroc is believed to have deferred delivery of its Boeing 787s until at least the end of 2014.

RAM was due to be one of the first recipients of the type with deliveries planned for this year and the aircraft – in RAM colours – has been seen at the Seattle Boeing factory.

But according to Flightglobal, the airline says the postponement is due to a reconfiguration of Boeing's delivery schedule, and that Royal Air Maroc would now be receiving aircraft with better specifications.

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They have to wait a bit longer but will get better, non overweight 787s.

With this info we can conclude that there are up to 10 early produced 787 originally destined for ANA, LAN and RAM that are up for grabs by other airlines. Lion Air, Transaero & Rwanda Air are some the airlines that are rumored to take these 787s.
RAM will open routes to Sao Paulo, Rio, Shangai & Beijing and they will not receive 787 at the end 2012 but 2014. Hpw can it could be possible when we see those pictures ?

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What is the deal between Boeing and RAM ?
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They will have to wait a bit longer, but they get better planes.

The ones that are already waiting outside the Boeing factory to have rework done won't be delivered to RAM. Boeing started the manufacturing process early before the design and production process was finalized, therefore the first 66 manufactured 787s all had to go through a rework program before they can be delivered. The 2 787s originally intended for RAM will get their rework, get a new lick of paint and get delivered to for example Transaero or Lion Air.

Since these are early manufactured they are overweight, even after the rework. RAM will get better planes for the same price, just with some extra delay. Boeing can wait with the rework of these planes therefor having more manpower available to get later build 787 delivered. And some other airlines can pick up these early 787s for a good price and much earlier delivery then when they would have if they would have to get in line at the back of the cue.


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A bit earlier then I predicted the 1st LOT 787 was rolled out of the paint hangar.


http://kpae.blogspot.com


I predict that LOT will some better pictures soon.
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