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Old October 28th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #1141
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Field of dreams I was asking that question myself.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 10:05 PM   #1142
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Speaking of lessors, how many would ILFC get the 787s? And is there a specific configuration for the aircraft because it leases aircraft to other airlines?
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Field of dreams I was asking that question myself.
ILFC's orders:
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Old October 28th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #1143
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ILFC's orders:
787-8 - 33
787-9 - 41
That's a lot of orders for the lessor! Where is ILFC based by the way?
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Old October 28th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #1144
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ILFC is based in Los Angeles, USA.

There's no specific ILFC configuration, the initial airlines that will lease the planes have a big say in how the plane is configured. There are several airlines like Aeromexico that will get 787s from their own order and from a lessor, they will have to be the same. When the lease period is over the planes will have to get an interior overhaul anyway, so it's not a problem for ILFC that all their planes are somewhat different. The ILFC will also have a mix of RR and GE engines, here's it's also the airlines choice.

With such a big order, it's the biggest 787 order by 1 company we will see 787 delivered to airlines that have not placed their own order. There will be some surprises with for now unknown airlines that will be flying the 787 in the next couple of years. Thai Airways is one of the known airlines that will only lease them, they will get 6x 787-8 and 2x 787-9 from ILFC.


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Old October 29th, 2012, 03:46 AM   #1145
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Very interesting stuff Momo. So there is still hope that certain airlines who some would want to get 787s will get them after all.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 10:32 AM   #1146
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Yes, although most of the airlines that will lease from ILFC or one of the other lessors also have outstanding orders directly with Boeing. Aeromexico, KLM, Norwegian, LAN, Royal Jordanian are some of the airlines that have both.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 03:42 PM   #1147
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No chance of Alitalia getting any then?? Or Turkish Airlines?
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Old October 29th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #1148
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It seems like the 787 will help in the economic recovery of the US economy, if not the global economy... I just hope more airlines will join the growing bandwagon and make the 787 another successful family of aircraft for Boeing.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 07:30 PM   #1149
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If that is the case we should all be extremely mad at Boeing for all the delays in the last couple of years.

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Turkish Airlines has specifically said that they will not get the 787. Instead they ordered extra A330s and 777s. Alitalia probably won't lease them either, but if they do I could see why and wouldn't be too surprised.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 08:04 PM   #1150
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Me too considering the aircraft is part built by Italian subcontractors.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #1151
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If that is the case we should all be extremely mad at Boeing for all the delays in the last couple of years.

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Turkish Airlines has specifically said that they will not get the 787. Instead they ordered extra A330s and 777s. Alitalia probably won't lease them either, but if they do I could see why and wouldn't be too surprised.
Yes. That project has been marred with delays because of various flaws that need to be tweaked. But since it's working now, it will hopefully boost the aviation market once again.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #1152
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But aviation isnt the whole economy.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #1153
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I know. It's just a key part of the economy. Without aircraft, how can people get around quickly and efficiently?
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Old October 30th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #1154
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I was wandering was Charleston hit by Hurracance Sandy?? If so what happens(ed) to the aircraft in production/test flights located over there??
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Old October 30th, 2012, 03:01 PM   #1155
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Charleston was not hit by the hurricane, the airport didn't close down and is still operational. Although many flights to and from the Northeast have been cancelled due to the conditions around New York.

The storm did effect the 1st flight of Air India's VT-ANL that happened 2 days ago. The flight didn't follow the regular flightpath over the ocean but went inland instead.

There also aren't any major subcontractors in the areas affected, it does look like the hurricane has a major effect on the production of the 787.

If Charleston was affected the production would have stopped as long as needed to get everything in working order again. Since the factory also makes fuselage sections for the 787s that are assembled in Everett it could also have meant for delays on all the production lines. How long it would take to get everything back into production would depend on the severity of the damage. Earlier this year a tornado struck at Boeing & Spirit AeroSystems factories in Wichita, Kansas. It took about a week to get the production started again and this didn't result in any bigger delays further down the production process. If it doesn't take too long it doesn't necessarily need to have a big impact on the program.
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Old October 30th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #1156
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I see. Lucky miss for them I guess. No doubt had it been affected the production would have been badly hit. Like the floods in Thailand last year for example badly hit production of Japanese companies as they subcontracted material production over there.
Yeah if the damage isn't too severe the programme usually can be back to normal pretty quickly.
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Boeing tweeted this message:

"Congrats to @united for taking delivery of their 2nd 787 Dreamliner today. #Boeing"
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/...54757255081984

Delivery stats:
United: 2
October: 6
2012: 29
Total delivered: 32

This comes after the recent news that the deliveries to United had been delayed without giving a reason. It hasn't flown away from Everett but that could happen later this week. It should be N26906, LN77 it's the only one for United in Everett that has flown.

And who knows there are actually more deliveries today, Qatar's A7-BCL took flight today on a flight that looked like a Costumer flight. And maybe ANA will also make a contractual delivery today, we'll know soon enough.
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I hope that UA will have enough 787s to operate its future long-haul route, DEN-NRT, starting January next year.
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I hope that UA will have enough 787s to operate its future long-haul route, DEN-NRT, starting January next year.
That could be quite a propular route once it opens.
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And United's 2nd 787 has flown out to Houston.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL6866

It's the 1st delivery where a 787 had just 2 test flights. Boeing has said they want to reduce the number of these so called B-flights (Boeing) to 1 plus one C-flight (Costumer) just like they do with most of the 737s. This saves fuel and personal costs and can reduce the time between assembly and delivery. The 787 that was delivered yesterday came out of assembly at the start of October and flew for the 1st time on 20 October. It's been the 1st one that was delivered within a month it rolled out of the factory. Hopefully this is a sing for things to come, the deliveries could speed up significantly, quickly reducing the number of 787s that are waiting in Everett to fly out to the customers.


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ANA celebrated the 1st anniversary of commercial 787 services.


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ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS CO., LTD. : ANA Celebrates First Anniversary of Boeing 787 Services

Tokyo November 1, 2012 - ANA Group today announces that it celebrated the first anniversary of the introduction of the Boeing 787 to commercial operation on November 1, 2011. As the launch customer of the 787, ANA was the first airline in the world to offer passenger flights with the 787. During the past year, ANA's 787s have flown around 9,000 flights, carrying a total of 1.8 million passengers.

ANA has achieved excellent results for the 787 over the course of the last year. ANA's fleet of 787's has recorded a 10% higher passenger load factor than with other aircraft, recording 82.6% on international routes and 72.8% on domestic routes. A recent passenger in-flight survey revealed that 40.4% of passengers selected their flights specifically to fly on the 787 while some 98% of passengers said they would like to fly again on 787. In addition, the 787 benefits from excellent fuel efficiency. At launch, it was anticipated that the 787 would save 20% in fuel for each international flight. ANA is pleased to confirm that the saving amounts to 21% per flight.

ANA currently has a fleet of sixteen 787s, more than any other airline in the world.
http://www.4-traders.com/ALL-NIPPON-...ices-15449041/
The last paragraph that I quoted is interesting, it says that it now has 16 787s. According to all the lists out there on the internet it should be 15. I can only conclude that ANA also contractually took delivery of a 787 yesterday.

If this is correct it will bring the total deliveries last month to 7, that same number as in September.

Delivery stats:
ANA: 16
October: 7
2012: 30
Total delivered: 33

If this rate continues over the next 2 months we could see a deliveries total of around 45 for 2012, beating the target of 35 to 43 787s.
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