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Old November 2nd, 2012, 01:22 PM   #1161
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http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ is confirming delivery JA816A for ANA. Next one for ANA should be LN59, currently in EMC.

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Moth Balling China Southern B-2727 Boeing 787 For Storage by moonm, on Flickr

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Moth Balling China Southern B-2727 Boeing 787 For Storage by moonm, on Flickr

It looks like LN43 B-2727 is preparing to storage.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 01:33 PM   #1162
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I still dont get what the issue is with the CAAC in certifying the aircraft.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 01:34 PM   #1163
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ANA's 16nd is currently on route from Everett to Tokyo.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9397


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In contrast to the 22 787s flying in Japan it's a completely different story in China. Boeing has several 787s ready for delivery to China Southern and Hainan Airlines it's not looking like any of those will be delivered anytime soon. There appears to be a problem with the certification of the 787 by the Chinese authorities, but neither Boeing or the CAAC are saying anything about this situation in public.

In the meantime the 1st 787 that is ready for China Southern is being prepared for long term storage in Everett. And the 1st 787 for Hainan Airlines is use for test flights with experimental label, most likely for extra test flights for the Chinese certification but it could also be something different.

It's unclear how long this will last, but because of the plane going into storage it looks like it will be a longer period.

This raises the question if this will have an effect on the total deliveries in 2012. But that should be limited as Boeing still has 11 non Chinese 787s that are now being prepared for delivery. And with several 787s still coming out of the assembly line and the modification process the total deliveries should easily go beyond the 40.

Another thing are the upcoming production slots, China Southern has 3 of the next 11 slots. I wonder if Boeing will change these at the last minute, delaying them to when the China starts to take delivery.

All in all it's not a good situation for Boeing after all the earlier problems with the 787. As for China, if they don't want to fly the 787 as soon as possible it's their stupid mistake.


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Old November 2nd, 2012, 02:10 PM   #1164
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Sad indeed to see the China Southern plane going into storage. But yeah hopefully the others should be ready sooner rather than later.

There is no indication about whether the programme is political or technical.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 02:58 PM   #1165
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There's no indication at all, nothing has been said about it in public.

But I doubt it's political since Boeing continues to deliver 737 and 777s to China and also approved of the 747-8 order for Air China. This leaves technical issues, the problems with GEnx engines could still be an issue for China. Or contractual issues, like not reaching an agreement on the delay compensations just like what happened with India for several months.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 04:13 PM   #1166
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By political I mean the possible fact that Japanese subcontractors make like a third of the plane. But contractual issues do seem more plausible.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 07:11 PM   #1167
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Question: will the 787 be a replacement for ANA's 767s in the long run? Because if it's the case, it'd mean that I might get to see a 787 operating to destinations like Ho Chi Minh City, Manila, Hanoi, Jakarta, and other regional destinations.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 07:49 PM   #1168
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simple answer = yes.

They will get 50 more 787s, they will be replacing the 767s and the domestic 777-200s. So eventually this will mean that the regional routes will also see the 787. But they also took delivery of some brand new 767s every single year since 2002, it's going to be part of the ANA fleet for years to come. And the 787 will first replace the older domestic non -ER 767-300s, so it could take some time to see a 787 on those regional routes. Although ANA did start a Haneda - Beijing service 787 earlier this week for the winter, this was actually a downgrade from a 777-200.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 07:55 PM   #1169
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simple answer = yes.

They will get 50 more 787s, they will be replacing the 767s and the domestic 777-200s. So eventually this will mean that the regional routes will also see the 787. But they also took delivery of some brand new 767s every single year since 2002, it's going to be part of the ANA fleet for years to come. And the 787 will first replace the older domestic non -ER 767-300s, so it could take some time to see a 787 on the regional routes.
Wonderful news to hear! That means NH might send its 787 to more Southeast Asian destinations soon. Currently, JL operates a 787 on the NRT-SIN route 3x weekly... definitely a good sign indeed.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 10:06 PM   #1170
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LN43 and LN73 are now in storage, so probably other 4 for Hainan and one for China Southern will go into storage to.
LN64 for Qatar is now in Fuel Dock, change incorporation and rework complete.
LN82 for Qatar was rolled out from final assembly, starts pre-flight preparation.
LN15 for ANA is now in EMC, Position 2. So probably ANA will take delivery of that frame.
LN34 for China Southern is in storage too, so the rework was completed.

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Old November 4th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #1171
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Japanese airliners (ANA and JAL) have ordered LOTS of 787 airplanes. Unbelievable.

Can't wait to see others getting their planes as well.

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Also, I hope Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines and Philippine Airlines will also order some 787 planes as well.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #1172
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Singapore Airlines just transferred their 787 order to their low cost subsidiary Scoot. But they could still order the plane for themselves on a later date.


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The 3rd 787 for United, LN50, N26902, is making it's 1st flight right now:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...630Z/KPAE/KMWH

If this one is delivered as fast as their previous one it could happen in 2 weeks. But since this is one that came out of the EMC it will probably take a bit more time, then the last one that was LN77 that didn't need any rework anymore.


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Old November 4th, 2012, 08:27 PM   #1173
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Ouch, for how long? Hopefully those will fly out soon to operate new routes or replace existing planes on existing routes.
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Nobody knows.


http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/640537L.html

LN30 VT-ANE for Air India is the next one in EMC. LN36 probably will wait till delivery issue clarification with China.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #1175
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Ethiopian Airlines seems happy with the 787 and will be leasing 3 787-8 from ILFC on top of their own order for 10 787s.

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Ethiopian Airlines Adds Three B787s With Long-Term Lease Agreement With ILFC

LOS ANGELES — International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC), a wholly owned subsidiary of American International Group, Inc. (NYSE: AIG), announced today that Ethiopian Airlines, one of the fastest growing airlines in Africa, has agreed to lease three of Boeing’s new Dreamliner 787-8 aircraft.

The aircraft are scheduled for delivery in the first half of 2015 and will carry GEnx-1B70/75 engines.
full ILFC press release:
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This kind of top up orders, either through a lease agreement or a direct order with Boeing are always good for the confidence in the project.
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http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/640537L.html

LN30 VT-ANE for Air India is the next one in EMC. LN36 probably will wait till delivery issue clarification with China.
Why the hell does it have a star alliance logo?
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Air India has already become a full-fledged member of the Star Alliance since this year, hence the logo.
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This plane was painted before Air India was rejected to join Star Alliance in July 2011.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #1179
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November 4, 2012, 1:50 p.m.
United Airlines landed its inaugural flight of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner at Chicago O'Hare International Airport Sunday morning, becoming the first U.S. carrier to fly the composite-plastic fuselage air craft.

The twin-aisle plane, delayed more than three years by production problems at Boeing, was designed to be about 20% more fuel efficient than similar size planes and less costly to maintain than other big jets. Half the plane is made of strong and lightweight composite materials, including the fuselage and wings, instead of metal.

Boeing said the plane also offers great comfort for passengers, including dimmable windows and LED lighting that changes in different phases of flight.

Flight 1116 from Houston to Chicago was the first flight of the Dreamliner by a U.S. airline. United is scheduled to bring the Dreamliner to Los Angeles for daily nonstop flights to Narita, Japan, beginning in January.

"If you want to be the world's leading airline, you need the world's leading airplane, and this is it," United Chief Executive Jeff Smisek told the Chicago Tribune.

One complaint on the flight was the lack of Wi-Fi on what Boeing called the most technologically advanced commercial jet in the world. Smisek told reporters that Boeing was working with federal aviation authorities to certify communications equipment to maintain broadband on a composite aircraft, a process that could take until 2014 to complete.
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Apparently N26902 LN/50 for United had its B1 flight yesterday.
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