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Old November 20th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #1261
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Interesting but still no mention of the reason for the delays hmmm.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 03:47 PM   #1262
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Old November 21st, 2012, 11:50 AM   #1263
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Now it's for real, the ET-AOP has been delivered to Ethiopian and is currently on route to Ethiopia.

http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh...200Z/KPAE/HAAB

Delivery stats:
Ethiopian: 4
November: 3
2012: 33
Total delivered: 36
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:46 PM   #1264
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There are 2 delivery flights scheduled for tonight.

LN50, N26902, United Airlines
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...000Z/KPAE/KLAX

LN57, A7-BCA, Qatar Airways
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...006Z/KPAE/KVCV

This would be the 34th and the 35th deliveries of this year, this means that Boeing has reached the lower end of the delivery target for this year.


There are also 2 B-1, 1st flights for these 2 airlines tonight.

The LN55, N26905, United is in the air right now:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...900Z/KPAE/KMWH

And the LN62, A7-BCK, Qatar could depart every moment now if there are no problems and the weather is OK.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...830Z/KPAE/KMWH


LN80, CC-BBC, LAN is also expected to make it's 3rd flight tonight.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...100Z/KPAE/KMWH

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November 25 will be an important date. It's the day the current contract between Boeing and the Union for the workers in Everett ends. The negotiations have been ongoing for the past few months with several ups and downs. Recently it looks like there where more downs so this could mean that there will be industrial strikes starting at the end of the month. If that happens this could halt or delay the production and deliveries of the 787 and also the 747, 767 & 777s. So hopefully an agreement is reached before this date, that's always better for both Boeing and the workers.

Here's some background of the conflict.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201...840/1010/BIZ01
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 12:46 PM   #1265
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Hi there, Just wondering if someone could update us with the latest on the 787's being built for Thomson in the U.K. Do you know when the first is expect to be delivered to England?

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Old November 22nd, 2012, 02:27 PM   #1266
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The first 787 for Thomson is undergoing final assembly, the second one will be soon.
The should get their first one in May 2013.

http://nyc787.blogspot.fr/
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 10:48 AM   #1267
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It's not just the financing where the 787 gives Air India headaches.
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Air India-Indian Airlines feud hits 787 training

NEW DELHI: You may have never been allowed to choose your examiner who will determine whether you fail or pass an exam, but the animosity between pilots of erstwhile Air India and Indian Airlines has for the first time led to such a demand - and that too to fly a brand new plane! The reason: IA pilots claim they want to choose 'fair' AI trainers.

IA pilots have so far refused to be trained for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner by AI instructor-examiners and were being taught by Boeing's own trainers. The aircraft manufacturer has prepared a number of AI commanders who can now, in turn, train IA pilots for the Dreamliner.

Now it's time for the Boeing trainers - who came as part of the aircraft purchase deal to train AI pilots at no extra cost - to return to the US.

The return of Boeing trainers has sparked a crisis that threatens to put a shadow on training IA pilots for the new plane as more B-787s are poised to join the airline's fleet from next month. A senior IA pilot said: "Given the huge animosity in AI and IA, it is not possible for them to fly together.

full article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/17330442.cms
There are rumors that there are only a handful of pilots can fly the 787. So even if they would take delivery of the 2 787 that are ready and the 2 that are almost ready it will still be hard for Air India to use them. Not hasting to get any financing deals might actually be tactic to slow down the deliveries until more pilots are actually trained.


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Since both the 3rd United (2 days ago) and the 3rd Qatar (yesterday) actually flew out after delivery here the current stats.

Delivery stats:
United: 3
Qatar: 3
November: 5
2012: 35
Total delivered: 38

There are 2 more possible deliveries for this month, 1 for LAN and another one for United. But they could easily slip into December that could potentially become a big month again if there are no strikes.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:39 PM   #1268
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Did Ln/62 fly?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:52 PM   #1269
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:58 PM   #1270
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Old November 24th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #1271
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It tried to fly again yesterday, but could not take off because of the weather. But today it had more luck and is in the air right now.

LN62, A7-BCK, Qatar
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...630Z/KPAE/KMWH


The A7-BCL that was the 2nd delivery to Qatar Airways is now also on it's way to Qatar. They will start the 2nd regional route to Kuwait on Monday with this plane.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #1272
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I've actually seen the post wherein QR will use its second B787 to KWI, with the first one already doing DOH-DXB rotation up to four times a day. Maybe when the airline adds more B787s, it will finally break the monotony of one aircraft, one route everyday and it will fly to even more destinations soon... Perhaps it can fly to Istanbul for a test run on its medium-haul route since it is a great destination to fly to.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #1273
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Thats what Id have thought as well. But they should be coming to London soon.

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Old November 25th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #1274
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Old November 27th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #1275
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And by the way, a little plug: QR to operate B787 to London-Heathrow from 13 December 2012, making it the third destination to be served by the airline's newest aircraft type. Schedule:

QR075 DOH0625 – 1105LHR 788 D
QR076 LHR1505 – 0045+1DOH 788 D

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That just confirmed my rumor that QR will indeed operate its B787 further from its initial Middle Eastern destinations, and it's good that it chose LHR first.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 10:16 AM   #1276
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A few snap shots I've taken of the B787 down under... Old news but never to late to share...

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Old November 27th, 2012, 10:41 AM   #1278
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Boeing Execs Update on the 787 program through RBC Conference Call

Larry Loftis, VP and General Manager, 787 program and Pat Shanahan, Senior VP and general manager, Airplane Programs at Boeing were hosted on an investor conference call presented by RBC this afternoon.

Here's a synopsis of their comments and what was said on the call:

To date Boeing has delivered 38 787s overall and 35 in 2012 to 8 different customers. Boeing customers have told the company that the aircraft is meeting fuel burn expectations and passengers are also delivering great feedback in terms of comfort of the aircraft.

Started the year at 2.5/month production rate and will end the year at the current rate of 5/month. Boeing is tracking to plan to increase production to 10/month by the end of 2013.

The next rate increase is to 7/month which is expected in mid 2013, whereupon it will stabilize at that rate before increasing to 10/month.

Boeing is well past the 90% engineering release milestone on the 787-9 and that was completed about 3-4 weeks ahead of schedule. The supply chain is largely the same as the 787-8 but have bought some work back in house. Schedule – the airplane is meeting all engineering milestones. It is on original schedules with some suppliers ahead of schedule. The major components are currently being assembled by the major (tier 1) suppliers while wing assembly will start later this year into the very early part of 2013. Boeing will introducing the 787-9 in to final assembly in late spring – late summer of 2013 and flight test in fall 2013 with EIS in early 2014. There will be 3 flight test aircraft with all three currently in production. the wing spars are currently being built at MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). There is a buffer in the schedule but it is looking like they won’t need it. The 787-9 weight has been stable and has improved by a couple hundred pounds. Boeing is planning for 6 months for flight test, but has been doing flight testing on the 787-8 to gather data to support the 787-9. We now know why Boeing has been flying ZA005 lately. There is extra flow in the production system that has been allotted to the 787-9 in case there are issues during assembly of that aircraft.

Boeing has 3 final assembly lines going for the 787 and allows them a greater degree of flexibility to manage the ramp up of the 787 while introducing the 787-9 into the system. The current plan is to continue to have the production split between Everett and Charleston at 70%/30%. Boeing has been very pleased with the improvements in the production system over the last 12 months. The quality of the work and processes improve everyday, and the learning curve is tracking to their expectations. The curve at Charleston has been very good (for a new site, makes your wonder if Boeing had better expectations). Boeing has transferred best practices at Everett to Charleston and information is flowing back and forth very freely. Boeing's intents is to make sure they have one standard set of best practices for both sites (one production system for 2 sites).

Boeing has the ability to go beyond the 10/month production rate. The ability to go beyond 10/month will be determined by the market. There's no constraint on bricks and mortar aspect of increasing the rate. Boeing has an understanding of the capabilities of the suppliers as well as their own capabilities. The question will be the capacity of the suppliers and the rate to adding capacity.

By the end of the year, Boeing will have 60% of pre-LN 66 airplanes delivered. The remaining aircraft that are awaiting change incorporation will be delivered during 2013 to 2015 (Boeing currently has 23 aircraft undergoing change incorporation or awaiting change incorporation including 3 test airplanes). The ones that remain are the lower line number and will take longer to complete as the extent of the changes needed are extensive. There are firm homes for the majority of the planes that have yet to go through change incorporation. there are a couple that still need to find a customer (I'm guessing that these are ZA004 and ZA005).

With regards to delays, Boeing says that there aren't any systemic delays (which would take weeks or months to resolve) in the production system but one off delays amounting to a few days delivery of the 787 to customers because they are still learning. Boeing would not comment on delays to specific customers or countries (China).

On the 787-10, Boeing is not ready to launch yet as they still have some work to do before they are ready to launch the program. (Note they have said anything about Authority to Offer, ATO). Technically they are confident of the 787-10; operationally and financially they are trying to be more measured with their plans for the aircraft. They are expecting an EIS at the back end of this decade (2017-2019 timeframe?). It depends on when Boeing has finished the work they are engaged in with regards to the 787-10. Boeing expects substitutions between the family of 787 models (go up or down within the different 787 models).
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