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Old November 27th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #1281
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Updated 787 firing order - through 1st quarter 2013
787s for British Airways and Norwegian Air Shuttle (leased through ILFC) will begin final assembly in the 1st quarter of 2013 are the highlights of the firing order of the 1st quarter of 2013.

The customer list for LN 101 to LN 115 are: ANA, British Airways, China Southern Airlines, Japan Airlines, ILFC (Aeromexico), ILFC (Norwegian Air Shuttle), LAN, Qatar Airways, Thomson Airways.

LN 115 should enter the final assembly system by the end of March, 2013. Here are the airlines and their allocations of 787s from this batch of 15 aircraft.

ANA (3)

ZA120 (LN 101)
ZA514 (LN 107)
ZA121 (LN 110)

British Airways (3)

ZA450 (LN 108)
ZA451 (LN 111)
ZA452 (LN 114)

China Southern Airlines (1)

ZA386 (LN 104)*

Japan Airlines (1)

ZA186 (LN 105)

ILFC/Aeromexico (1)

ZA561 (LN 115)

ILFC/Norwegian Air Shuttle (2)

ZA576 (LN 102)
ZA577 (LN 112)

LAN (1)

ZA539 (LN 113)*

Qatar Airways (2)

ZA466 (LN 103)
ZA467 (LN 109)*

TUI Travel PLC/Thomson Airways (1)

ZA320 (LN 106)

*These airplanes will be assembled in Charleston.

Again it seems that Boeing is allocating 4 787s (two for each line) to Everett and one for Charleston. Everett is at 4 per month while Charleston is at 1 per month. In mid 2013 the rate is to go up to 7/month though I am not sure if the two additional aircraft per month will be split evenly between Everett and Charleston. Please see my table for complete information.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #1282
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The 1st 787 for Norwegion should go into final assembly in mid January, the 1st for BA should be in the late February. Assembly currently takes about 6 to 7 weeks. This is actually a bit longer then before, but because the surge line also uses the last position on the main line the output of the main line has slowed down a bit. But together they have an increased output.

It's also interesting that there is 1 new positions for China Southern, both in Charleston. Boeing is clearly convinced that the delivery of the Chinese 787s will take place in the 1st half of 2013. But there are no new positions for Air India, they will have to do with the ones that are already ready or in the EMC right now. So that's just 1 787 for a problematic airline, the deliveries should not be a problem in Q1.

Another thing is the LN113 that is allocated to LAN, this will be the 1st 787 assembled in Charleston that will have RR engines.


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Old November 27th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #1283
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The 1st 787 for Norwegion should go into final assembly in mid January, the 1st for BA should be in the late February. Assembly currently takes about 6 to 7 weeks. This is actually a bit longer then before, but because the surge line also uses the last position on the main line the output of the main line has slowed down a bit. But together they have an increased output.

It's also interesting that there is 1 new positions for China Southern, both in Charleston. Boeing is clearly convinced that the delivery of the Chinese 787s will take place in the 1st half of 2013. But there are no new positions for Air India, they will have to do with the ones that are already ready or in the EMC right now. So that's just 1 787 for a problematic airline, the deliveries should not be a problem in Q1.

Another thing is the LN113 that is allocated to LAN, this will be the 1st 787 assembled in Charleston that will have RR engines.

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Fantastic to watch the production of the B787 pick momentum.... As for AI, I believe Boeing should give the airline last priority! Screw the airline as far as I'm concerned they've been doing nothing else but whinging...
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Old November 27th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #1284
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2 787s for Air India are in FAL, 2 ready for delivery, 1 in test flights, 1 pre-test and 2 in EMC. That gives 8 airplanes, I'm pretty sure deliveries of these will take some time. Even if Air India takes 2 deliveries in next months (beginning in December), that will be enough for 4 months. Next 3 frames are waiting for re-work, so if they will go to EMC as next ones, then first of them could be ready in april or may.

ANA's situation looks more interesting, in order list future planes are located for deliveries 1 per month, so ANA could really not take all of early frames or these will be delivered as last ones from B788 which ANA ordered.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 05:28 AM   #1285
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Any idea which sectors LAN has deployed its 2 787s?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 05:33 AM   #1286
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Any idea which sectors LAN has deployed its 2 787s?
I believe LA deployed the B787s on SCL-MAD-FRA route & SCL-LIM... Don't quote me on LIM...
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Old November 28th, 2012, 05:36 AM   #1287
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Aww snap. none on MIA-LIM or LIM-GYE or GYE-JFK?
I hoped to hop on to one on at least one leg
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Old November 28th, 2012, 06:33 AM   #1288
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I believe LA deployed the B787s on SCL-MAD-FRA route & SCL-LIM... Don't quote me on LIM...
So my hunch is this: with LA getting B787s, does that mean that it will slowly retire its A343 fleet soon? And with that, does it mean that LA will also use the B787 to fly between SCL and SYD nonstop (or with a stop in AKL)?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 06:58 AM   #1289
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So my hunch is this: with LA getting B787s, does that mean that it will slowly retire its A343 fleet soon? And with that, does it mean that LA will also use the B787 to fly between SCL and SYD nonstop (or with a stop in AKL)?
Evenutally yes, but for the time being LA will be utilizing the additional A343 frames to increase frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD routes...
LAN is not going to drop AKL as a destination. Once the B-787-9s arrive, they will replace the A343s on the SCL-AKL-SYD route. LAN utilizes AKL as the gateway to HKG from SCL. The service does very well with passengers connecting onto LAN code-share flights operated by Cathay Pacific via AKL. CX also code-shares and markets LA801 as CX7801 and LA800 as CX7800. Business traffic between SCL and China has increased by 30% over the past year and most pax prefer to transit via AKL to HKG.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:29 AM   #1290
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Now that's very interesting. I just only hope and dream that Philippine Airlines can also operate codeshare flights on other routes where many Filipinos reside... And I also dream of the day that the B787 can be operated to Manila. Heck, I'm excited to see UA operate a B787 to SFO (albeit at night) and NH to San Jose (SJC) with a 787. It just makes me want to think of writing another thread soon...
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Old November 28th, 2012, 08:45 AM   #1291
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I hadn't noticed yesterday but the 1st 787 for ILFC/Aeromexico has been pushed back from LN96 to LN141, making LN115 the new 1st 787 for this airline.

The LN96 will now go to TUI Travel (Thomson).


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Old November 28th, 2012, 12:12 PM   #1293
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Momo I wonder what happened with Aeromexico. Im sure they need their 787s fast to replace their ageing 767s.

As for the Chinese I wonder what is going on there. Good thing there are no positions for Air India however.

Interesting too about the LAN plane with Roller engines being built in Charleston.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #1294
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Aeromexico's 1st delivery just got delayed a couple of months, nothing big.

It could their decision, it could be something to do with Boeing or ILFC. We'll probably never know why this happened since they haven't made an official statement on when they will take delivery on their 1st one. So it won't be officially delayed.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #1295
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I see. Oh well the 787 looks good in AM colours.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 10:58 PM   #1296
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One of the Chinese 787s was moved out of storage.
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This afternoon Everett photographer, Matt Cawby, tweeted that ZA382 (LN 43, B-2727) has been moved from the South Ramp storage area to the Everett Fuel Dock. I'm going out on a limb in saying that this may be an indication that the issues between CAAC and Boeing may have been resolved to allow delivery of 787s to the 3 Chinese carriers that have them on order (Air China, China Southern Airlines, and Hainan Airlines).

This particular aircraft has made only one flight in late October and has since been put into storage. One other 787 for Hainan flew 4 times before being stored on the South Ramp but it has not been moved yet.

I cannot offer any other reason for the move other than either 1) preparations for delivery to the customer 2) Preparing the aircraft to be flown to a long term storage facility in the US Southwest (i.e. Arizona or Southern California desert storage) or 3) Boeing carrying out some maintenance or assembly tasks that need to be done.

Still it has raised eyebrows and I'll try to ascertain why the aircraft is at the fuel dock.
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Aspire Aviation has a long insight article on the future of the 787-10 and the 777X.

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Boeing in no rush to fast-track future widebody strategy

Production ramp-up beyond 10/month inevitable with 787-10X development

787-10X Gate 4 formal launch scheduled in June 2013

787-10X MEW determined at 264,000lbs, versus 787-9′s 250,000lbs

787-10X may feature improved range, become platform for rolling out improvements

Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 Package B still 3% higher than original SFC

787-8 to be “few hundred kilograms” over Rev K specification on MEW by LN140-150

Boeing likely to launch 777-300ER+, reducing fuel burn by 4-5%
http://www.aspireaviation.com/2012/1...body-strategy/

The formal launch of the 787-10, from then the airlines can actually order this plane, in June 2013 just before the Paris Air Show. Boeing is of course very interested to announce some big 787-10 orders there in France. The actual entry into service still depends on increasing the production beyond the 10 per month that is now scheduled for late 2013 and the 737 MAX. Boeing has said it will be late this decade, there's still some room to move this between a couple of years let's say between 2017 and 2019. Increasing the production also depends on the number of orders they will get in the next couple of years. More orders means a faster increase of production and that means a possible earlier start of the production of the 787-10 because the current backlog that is full up to 2018/19 with a production of 10 787s per month will be delivered faster.

All in all 2013 will be an interesting year to see how the program will develop. If they will be able to streamline the deliveries as more 787s are delivered to more airlines. If they will be able to increase the production to 10 per month and if they will get all those 787-10 orders that everyone is hinting at.
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Anyone know what the Qantas LNs are? Have they been pushed backed?
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Anyone know what the Qantas LNs are? Have they been pushed backed?
This Knows only Boeing workers, who are employed on Boeing 787 assembling.
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Question: what does LN mean when I see LN96 for Thompson Airways?

And by the way, QR will send a B787 to its Doha - London Heathrow rotation starting next month, confirming my hunch that it will be used on regional and long-haul destinations.
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Question: what does LN mean when I see LN96 for Thompson Airways?

And by the way, QR will send a B787 to its Doha - London Heathrow rotation starting next month, confirming my hunch that it will be used on regional and long-haul destinations.
I believe that LN stands for line number, it's the number of production of the aircraft. On this LN96 is the 96th 787 produced.
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