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Old January 5th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #1421
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LAN uses the 787 on the Santiago de Chile – Lima – Los Angeles route, they don't use it yet on any stand alone route from Lima.
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Old January 7th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #1422
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Fire reported in Boeing 787 jet in Boston

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BOSTON (AP) -- Firefighters have responded to a report of smoke coming from a Boeing 787 on the ground at Boston's Logan International Airport.

State police say smoke was reported coming from the cockpit of the Japan Airlines jet at about 10:45 a.m. Monday when it was parked at a gate at the international terminal.

No one was on board at the time and there are no reports of injuries.

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Old January 7th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #1423
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LAN uses the 787 on the Santiago de Chile – Lima – Los Angeles route, they don't use it yet on any stand alone route from Lima.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 12:52 AM   #1424
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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...irport-380751/

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Boeing working with JAL on 787 fire at Boston airport

A battery explosion and subsequent fire damaged a parked and empty Japan Air Lines (JAL) Boeing 787 shortly after landing at Boston Logan International airport following a nearly 12h flight from Tokyo.

One battery in the aircraft's aft electrical equipment bay exploded on the aircraft and caused a secondary fire while it was parked at a gate on Logan's terminal E, says the airport operator Massport. Massport fire and rescue, and the Boston fire department extinguished the fire.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 11:18 AM   #1425
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Fire on a JAL 787 in Boston!

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Oh yet another problem for the 787
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Old January 8th, 2013, 03:52 PM   #1427
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Sadly yes and this is more serious- has resulted in delays for other airlines due to operate flights using the aircraft.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #1428
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According to flight global, JAL isn't grounding its planes after this incident, but made some checks.

The recurrent problems seem to be electrical.
Let's not forget that the 787 is the first plane with a design claimed to be "all electric" and not with a bleed air system used in the last generation aircrafts.

Here are some electrical issues listed on flightglobal :
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...cident-380768/

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In November 2010, a 787 involved in the flight testing programme was forced to make an emergency landing after a fire occurred in one of the aircraft's power distribution boards located in the aft electronics engine bay.

The fire was later traced to the ingestion of foreign debris into the distribution board, causing a short circuit, forcing supplier Hamilton Sundstrand to make changes to its configuration.

On 4 December 2012, a United Airlines 787-8 made a diversion to New Orleans shortly after take-off from Houston, following the failure of an electrical generator controller.

Chilean carrier LAN recently said that its 787s have had a lower reliability rate compared with other aircraft in their fleet, partly because of problems with the aircraft's electrical and cooling systems.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #1429
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It seems that the 787 program is jinxed, every time it seems to go better another incident occurs. This last could be quite serious if the cause lies with a bad designed electronics. Hopefully Boeing finds out soon enough what caused this fire, because only then we can make conclusions on what the effect is on the safety of the plane and the near future of the program.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 12:16 AM   #1430
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Perhaps it means that despite the B787 is the first all-electric air system, it will always have its set of flaws, in which it means there will always be room for enhancements and improvements over time. I mean, the 787 is on its way to become a very successful aircraft, but, for it to enjoy longevity, it would need to go through regular checks, especially that the aircraft is different in terms of its air system, and the 787 could be a base for future passenger aircraft.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #1431
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Again a B787,
again Boston,
again JAL
but this time a massive fuel leak instead of a fire.

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Second Japan Airlines plane stopped before takeoff at Logan
Crews respond to report of jet fuel on Boston runway
UPDATED 5:17 PM EST Jan 08, 2013


Video: 2nd JAL 787 stopped at Logan
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Old January 9th, 2013, 02:32 AM   #1432
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Oh, oh... New Year, two flaws with the B787? There must be something really bad going on with either Boeing or Japan Airlines maintaining and operating the aircraft.
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Again a B787,
again Boston,
again JAL
but this time a massive fuel leak instead of a fire.

Video: 2nd JAL 787 stopped at Logan
The report says the B787 was going to depart, however it's under tow in the photo...
I take it the photo was taken after the incident occurred...?
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Old January 9th, 2013, 03:11 AM   #1434
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Yes. Watch the video and everything will be clear.

Video: 2nd JAL 787 stopped at Logan
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Old January 9th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #1435
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Very bad karma for the Japanese and Boieng





at least it is not a hull loss and the loss of life. But isnt it true that almost every new aircraft will have some problem? It is just a matter of time. Boeing, Airbus both are having problems A380 etc
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Certainly been a sad week for Boeing and JL...

I hope the teething issues are resolved soon...
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I truly hope that with two B787 incidents at the same airport, same airline, same route... QR, AI, NH, UA, and other B787 operators will need to inspect their brand new aircraft much more carefully because it is an entirely new system that require constant monitoring. If problems like the two JL incidents persist, probably it's time for Boeing to inspect every B787 in construction to see if the problems realized with two of JL's B787s may happen on other aircraft as well.
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Boeing's statement on the 1st incident in Boston.
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Boeing Statement on Japan Airlines 787 Event in Boston

SEATTLE, Jan. 8, 2013 - Regarding Monday’s event onboard a Japan Airlines (JAL) 787 at Boston Logan Airport, we are working closely with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), our customer and other government agencies. JAL has reported that smoke detected while a 787 was on the ground after passengers disembarked and during cleaning was traced to the battery used to start the auxiliary power unit (APU).

As is standard practice within the industry, it would be premature to discuss additional details at this stage as the investigation is ongoing. However, nothing that we’ve seen in this case indicates a relationship to any previous 787 power system events, which involved power panel faults elsewhere in the aft electrical equipment bay. Information about the prior events has been shared with the NTSB and they are aware of the details.

Boeing is cooperating with the NTSB in the investigation of this incident. Before providing more detail, we will give our technical teams the time they need to do a thorough job and ensure we are dealing with facts, not speculation.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2554
And the NTSB initial investigative update.
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NTSB provides investigative update on Boeing 787 fire incident in Boston
January 08

WASHINGTON - The National Transportation Safety Board today released an update on its formal investigation of Monday's fire aboard a Japan Airlines Boeing 787 at Logan International Airport in Boston. There were no passengers or crew on board at the time. One firefighter received minor injuries.

In addition to an investigator already on scene who visually inspected the airplane last night, the NTSB has sent two additional investigators to Boston and formed investigative groups to look at airworthiness and fire and airport emergency response. Senior Air Safety Investigator David Helson has been designated as the investigator-in-charge.

Parties to the investigation are the Federal Aviation Administration and The Boeing Company. In addition, the Japan Transport Safety Board has appointed an accredited representative and Japan Airlines will assist the JTSB as technical advisors.

Initial investigative findings include:

The NTSB investigator on scene found that the auxiliary power unit battery had severe fire damage. Thermal damage to the surrounding structure and components is confined to the area immediately near the APU battery rack (within about 20 inches) in the aft electronics bay.
Preliminary reports from Japan Airlines representatives indicate that airplane maintenance and cleaning personnel were on the airplane with the APU in operation just prior to the detection of smoke in the cabin and that Boston Logan Airport Rescue and Fire Fighting were contacted.
Rescue and fire personnel and equipment responded to the airplane and detected a fire in the electronics and equipment bay near the APU battery box. Initial reports indicate that the fire was extinguished about 40 minutes after arrival of the first rescue and fire personnel. One firefighter received minor injuries.

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130108b.html
The NTSB tweeted this pictures of the investigation to the fire.


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The Li-ion battery fires can be very nasty, but they are also very contained as can be seen on picture. The fire didn't completely destroy this electronics bay in the belly of the plane. It's actually designed to contain the fire, if this would have happened in flight the crew would have been able to control it and make a safe emergency landing on the nearest airport even if they are in middle of the ocean.


The second issue with the fuel leak is just a very bad timed and placed mishap. There won't be any safety investigation for this event, but there will be a standard investigation by Federal Aviation Administration to see who is responsible that it could happen. This makes it seem like the fuel cap wasn't closed correctly after refuelling or something like that, it's a serious mistake but it doesn't have anything specifically to do with the 787.
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Also a bit of problems for ANA:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1236931
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