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Old January 11th, 2013, 09:59 AM   #1441
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@Momo1435: I believe that even a small flaw with the 787 should be addressed immediately by Boeing, the airlines that use them, and the airport authorities so that such incidents will not be repeated in the future. Perhaps those are things that can be used to improve and enhance the inner workings of a soon-to-be successful aircraft family.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #1442
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Boeing Dreamliner Suffers Two More Mishaps:



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Old January 11th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #1443
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Boeing Dreamliner Suffers Two More Mishaps:



http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013...ogy+-+Mixed%29
The media is picking up on older issues, the cracked windshield that happened a couple of weeks ago. And completely non issues like an oil leak in an engine, something that basically happens every single day and with all aircraft types.


In the meantime Boeing and FAA will start a review of the recent (major) issues.

Boeing Statement on FAA Joint Review on 787

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Boeing looks into every incident, but if at first glance it doesn't appear to be an issue that has anything specifically to do with the design or the manufacturing 787 they won't look into it any further. They are already continuously working with the operators to fix any issues that keep popping up or to give instructions on how the plane should handled to prevent issues. It's simply not worth the time and money to make a full safety investigation for every small incident.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #1444
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Thomson First by Sabian404

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Old January 14th, 2013, 12:34 AM   #1445
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Do you know when it is going to be delivered? Is Thomson going to be the first new customer of2013?
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Old January 14th, 2013, 12:53 AM   #1446
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Do you know when it is going to be delivered? Is Thomson going to be the first new customer of2013?
Perhaps. It already has a plan on where to operate the B787 starting this March.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 02:16 AM   #1447
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Perhaps. It already has a plan on where to operate the B787 starting this March.
And as I read, the first flight will be to Cancun or am I wrong?
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Old January 14th, 2013, 06:56 AM   #1448
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Looks like Air India will operate its B787 to Paris ahead of schedule: AI has decided to start its 787 operation to the French capital starting 14 January 2013 instead of 31 March 2013. However, last-minute aircraft swap to a B777-200LR remains possible. Schedule:

AI143 DEL1310 – 1805CDG 788 D
AI142 CDG2130 – 1005+1DEL 788 D

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Old January 14th, 2013, 04:03 PM   #1449
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Mex I think they'll do shorter distance trial runs before putting the aircraft onto longhaul.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 02:30 AM   #1450
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From Flighglobal: "American Airlines proposes new 787 and 737 Max terms "
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...d|Flightglobal

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American Airlines parent AMR Corp may convert orders for 20 Boeing 787-9s to a smaller variant, restore the timing of the first 787-9 delivery to 2014 and finalise a deal to buy 42 787s overall by the end of the month.
The proposed deals announced today by AMR also seek to finalise a purchase agreement for 100 737-8 Max aircraft, but at reduced prices. American signed a purchase agreement to buy 42 787-9s with options for 58 more nearly five years ago, but the carrier never finalised the order.
American may convert 20 787-9s to -9s, while keeping the option to buy 58 more 787s, under the proposed changes. In early 2012, American Airlines said that the first 787-9 delivery would be delayed beyond 2014 due to delays in Boeing's production system.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 02:32 AM   #1451
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Hmmm very interesting. I thought the only versions I know for the 787 include the -800 and -900... Is there any "special" version (e.g. -900s) that I don't know about?
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Old January 15th, 2013, 03:02 AM   #1452
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Nope, no extra versions, its all in the wording….the "s” at the end denotes a plural because they are talking about more than one plane; i.e. ..Airline “Y” ordered one B787-8 vs. Airline “X” ordered 10 B787-8’s.
The only other version although not officially out is the -10 but we have ways to go for that one!
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Old January 15th, 2013, 04:54 AM   #1453
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You said though...

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American may convert 20 787-9s to -9s, while keeping the option to buy 58 more 787s, under the proposed changes.
That made me wonder: is American really converting its orders from 787-9s to 9s, or is it a typo?
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Old January 15th, 2013, 06:14 AM   #1454
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Edit: I see your point now...yes most likely they meant to say AA switched form the 9 series to the 8, hopefully they'll correct the article later on...

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American Airlines proposes new 787 and 737 Max terms

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...d|Flightglobal

American Airlines parent AMR Corp may convert orders for 20 Boeing 787-9s to a smaller variant, restore the timing of the first 787 delivery to 2014 and finalise a deal to buy 42 787s overall by the end of the month.

The proposed deals announced today by AMR also seek to finalise a purchase agreement for 100 737-8 Max aircraft, but at reduced prices.

The contractual changes are included in AMR's financial restructuring under bankruptcy protection, a process that allows US companies to renegotiate previously signed contracts under new and more favourable terms.

The new terms must still be approved by the US bankruptcy court for the Southern District in New York during a hearing on 23 January, but could take effect by the end of the month.

American signed a purchase agreement to buy 42 787-9s with options for 58 more nearly five years ago, but the carrier never finalised the order.

American may convert 20 787-9s to -9s, while keeping the option to buy 58 more 787s, under the proposed changes.

In early 2012, American Airlines said that the first 787-9 delivery would be delayed beyond 2014 due to delays in Boeing's production system.

However, the proposed restructuring of the deal accelerates the first 787-9 delivery to November 2014, according to the carrier's filing. Deliveries would then continue through September 2018.

The deals also include a restructured purchase agreement for the airline's 737-800, 737 Max and undelivered 777-300ERs.

If the court approves the motion, AMR will have completed the last piece of the restructuring of its fleet under bankruptcy protection. Last month, AMR announced renegotiated terms on the Airbus A320neo, which it ordered before entering bankruptcy protection.

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Aha. I get it now. Hopefully, AA will get the 787-8s instead of 787-9s so that those can be used on longer flights, and those can also replace the oldest 767s in the fleet (762s and 763s).
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Old January 15th, 2013, 09:08 AM   #1456
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@mc101
You didn't have to repost the whole article the 2nd time, the 1st time you posted it just how it should be done with commercial news articles.


The order is still up for bankruptcy court approval, the court and the unions already approved the new pilot contracts that also was needed for AA to place this order.

You can see the official SEC filing here, just download the most recent documents here:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....098&p=irol-sec

This shows that AA is looking into converting up to 20 787-9s into 787-8s, they still have some
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The Restructured Aircraft Purchase Agreements will also provide for the substitution of up to 20 787-8 aircraft for 787-9 aircraft, an accelerated delivery schedule for the 787 aircraft with deliveries scheduled to commence in November 2014 and to continue in each calendar year through September 2018, and the confirmation of the purchase of the Boeing 787 aircraft, which previously had been subject to certain reconfirmation rights.

Under the Restructured Aircraft Purchase Agreements, as of January 31, 2013, American will have firm aircraft orders for 111 737 aircraft, 18 777 aircraft and 42 787 aircraft, with the option to purchase 40 737 aircraft, 13 777 aircraft and 58 787 aircraft.
Next to the 787 order, the 737 MAX order will be firmed and they will order 2 more 77Ws.

Boeing will be very happy with the firming up of this 3rd biggest 787 order to date, the only 2 that were bigger were the original launch order by ANA and the 2007 ILFC order, both were order for 50 787s.



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The NTSB released pictures of the battery that caught fire in the JAL 787 in Boston.
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130114.html


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Old January 15th, 2013, 09:21 AM   #1457
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That's badly burned out. I hope such batteries that exist with the B787s in operation will be replaced or checked out thoroughly to make sure those would not catch fires in the future. And hopefully, AA would get the B787-8 since it can make longer journeys more efficiently and it can be reshuffled to operate domestic flights as well, similar to what UA is doing with its B787s.
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The Li-ion batteries are notorious for fires, several big freighter crashes have been caused after these batteries carried as cargo combusted in flight. They are a known risk, but under normal circumstances and installed as in the 787 they are safe even in the case of a fire during a flight. Airbus is also using them in the A380 and the A350 since they the benefits outweigh the problems by a big margin.


btw, the 787-9 and the 787-8 will be very similar when it comes to efficiency, the longer range and the higher capacity will give the 787-9 a bit of an edge over the 787-8 on this front. The smaller size of the 787-8 gives airlines the flexibility to use on more different routes.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #1459
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A Boeing 787 plane makes an emergency landing in Japan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21038128



All Nippon Airways grounds entire fleet of Boeing 787 jets after emergency landing in Japan bbc.in/10921M5

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Incident: ANA B788 near Takamatsu on Jan 16th 2013, battery problem and burning smell on board
http://avherald.com/h?article=45c377c5&opt=0


ANA and JAL have both grounded their fleet, mostly because this incident sound very similar to the 1st JAL incident in Boston. They really want to make sure that this is the case, which should not be difficult to see. Together with other reported electrical incidents the last couple of months this is pretty much where the main issues are at the moment.

Other airlines have not yet grounded their 787s, India has already said that they will investigate the issues but won't ground the Air India 787s.
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