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Old February 1st, 2013, 02:37 AM   #1581
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China Southern new livery looks fantastic.
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but I'll missed the d CZ livery's
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Old February 1st, 2013, 03:33 AM   #1582
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"No news, good news", tells a saying in my Country.
But this seems to be the opposite case.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 02:36 AM   #1583
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Mixed news updates about B787 flight operations...

United Extends 787 Cancellations until late-February
United Airlines, on 2 February 2013, is extending B787 service cancellations until 28 February 2013 (inclusive). This impacts planned services to Lagos and Amsterdam. Details:

Houston – Amsterdam:
Planned Boeing 787 operation starting 24 February 2013 postponed until 1 March 2013. CO Boeing 767-400ER continues operation.

Houston – Lagos:
Planned Boeing 787 operation starting 17 February 2013 postponed until 1 March 2013. CO Boeing 777-200ER continues operation.

Los Angeles – Tokyo Narita:
Planned Boeing 787 service resumption from 16 February 2013 postponed until 1 March 2013. UA 3-class Boeing 777-200ER continues operation until 28 February 2013 (NRT departure until 1 March 2013).

Domestic Boeing 787 service continues to see replacement aircraft (various models) operating.

Planned Boeing 787 service resumption remains subject to change.

Air India to Launch 787 Operations to London-Heathrow from late-March
Air India, India's national carrier, is planning to introduce B787 service on its Delhi - London Heathrow flight from 31 March 2013, replacing current B777-200LR operation. The airline is the first to update its B787 operational schedule for Summer 2013 since its grounding last 16 January 2013, despite no confirmation yet on when the aircraft will be placed back in service worldwide. Reservations for this route is now open.

Schedules:

AI115 DEL0520 – 1015LHR 788 x47
AI115 DEL0705 – 1200LHR 788 47
AI111 DEL1405 – 1900LHR 77W D

AI116 LHR1230 – 0140+1DEL 788 x47
AI116 LHR1400 – 0310+1DEL 788 47
AI112 LHR2130 – 1040+1DEL 77W D
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 03:49 PM   #1584
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787 grounded, but batteries can fly

I found this article a bit entertaining in a way.

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Old February 3rd, 2013, 05:21 PM   #1585
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I took this at Houston Int'l Airport just days before the 787's were grounded.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 07:53 PM   #1586
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I found this article a bit entertaining in a way.
I suspected the article was about the fact that the 787 batteries itself were not faulty and were not the cause of the fires. Although the quality is not up to standard, there have been too many replacements because the batteries running down to fast.

But this news also would not have happened if the 787 problems would have acted up earlier, then the rules for transporting them as cargo would not have changed.


With the batteries being OK the research now focuses on the other equipment that make them work, like the charger and the bigger electrical system that could have an effect on the batteries. What's also important that the areas where the batteries are located are fire proof, if a normal fire breaks out it can be contained and put out in flight. But there's a problem with the chemical reaction in the batteries that is called thermal runaway, where the battery becomes progressively hotter as the reaction happens. This still seems to be a problem that can't be contained and has never been tested. It's being said that this is also causing problems for Airbus since their design for the Li-ion batteries in the A350 also doesn't have thermal runaway containment measures.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #1587
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I thought they had a lot of problems extinguishing the fire, so even if they are in some sort of fireproof cabinet, how many minutes will it take before that is breached (or the high temperatures ignite something else nearby)?

Would the entire electrical system fail before that breach happens?
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Old February 4th, 2013, 03:06 PM   #1588
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Determined to get Dreamliner fleet back in air: Boeing

Boeing's Dreamliner fleet continues to be grounded awaiting clarity from the US National Transport Safety Board (NTSB) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).



http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/bus...ng_818002.html
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Old February 4th, 2013, 03:38 PM   #1589
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Either way it's extremely dangerous to let these planes take off again until the matter is fixed for good, I wouldn't wanna be in one of them in the middle of nowhere above the ocean if a fire can potentially destroy the airplane in midair before reaching an airport.

There's was something fishy about the whole thing, federal rules barred the type of batteries used to power the airliner's electrical systems from being carried as cargo on passenger planes because of the fire risk...out of the blue!

Yet the 787 feeds on these and was given green light...unbelievable!

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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has a list of more than 100 cases of fires on board aircraft that were sparked by lithium batteries. As for using them in commercial aircraft as part of the equipment, that was long considered too hazardous. Lately, however, the FAA has been giving plane-makers consent to do so on a case-by-case basis. Both Boeing and the FAA chose to ignore the tougher recommendations for fear of delaying the 787 Dreamliner still further by doing so it was confirmed that Boeing had beaten Airbus, its European arch-rival, in annual aircraft orders and deliveries for the first time in years
...at what price? These grounding will easely make a dent in the company's solvency dealing with the penalty fees and related issues.

We are not guinea pigs to try on new technology that hasn't been proven safe just for stupid patriotism and money at stake.

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Old February 4th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #1590
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We are not but one cant prove something is safe as one can't prove a negative can they??
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Old February 5th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #1591
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LN39 ZA260 (first build frame for Ethiopian Airlines) ET-AOO in Fuel Dock. Change incorporation/re-work done.

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Old February 5th, 2013, 02:14 PM   #1592
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LN39 ZA260 (first build frame for Ethiopian Airlines) ET-AOO in Fuel Dock. Change incorporation/re-work done.

[IMG]http://i47.************/11ilr38.png[/IMG]
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Good to know things are moving quicker- wonder which one will take its place in EMC.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #1593
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LN21 ZA176 JA823J for Japan Airlines is next one which will be rolled out from EMC. It has engines attached.
7 frames are in EMC, 4 inside, 3 outside.
LN20 ZA175 JA821J for Japan Airlines, LN30 ZA234 VT-ANE & LN32 ZA235 VT-ANG for Air India will be rolled out next, probably about midsummer.
Bay C inside EMC is now empty, so one of three planes outside will go inside. These planes are: LN17 ZA150 Not Taken Up by Royal Air Maroc, LN28 ZA232 VT-ANC for Air India or LN36 ZA381 B-2726 for China Southern Airlines.
LN17 is one of "terrible teens", it needs a lot of work, so this one will be probably going inside as the last one of these 3 frames, and we won't see it completed before late 3rd or early 4th quarter this year.
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That will mean one of the two Air India(VT-ANA and VT-ANB) planes or the ANA would take one of the outside positions vacated right?
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I hope the test fleet will resume flying soon too.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 07:23 PM   #1596
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That will mean one of the two Air India(VT-ANA and VT-ANB) planes or the ANA would take one of the outside positions vacated right?
I don't know.
There is no rule how many frames are under re-work. It's depending of Boeing scheduled delivery. Now company is focus on production of new frames, and slowed pace of change incorporation program. These early frames are scheduled to delivery till 2015, so even 5 frames per 6 months will be enought pace.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #1597
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It looks like some test flights will resume soon.
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FAA may soon allow Boeing 787 test flights

The FAA is likely to grant permission for Boeing to fly the 787 Dreamliner as early as this week on test flights only. Boeing wants to gather data on the operation of the battery system in flight and may test a potential fix.
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http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...lightsxml.html

They will surely use the ZA005 test 787 for this, the production 787s probably won't fly until the fix is certified.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #1598
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Oh I feel so sad for 787.
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According to some analysts, in this piece of a french newspaper "La Tribune" (which has published quite a lot about the 787 these last weeks), the change that Boeing is going to to make on the plane might force them to "re-certify' the whole aircraft.
In this case, the 787 would be grounded 6 to 9 additional months.

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...s-experts.html

ANAN already cancelled their 787 operations for March.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/02/07/nh-mar13/
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According to some analysts, in this piece of a french newspaper "La Tribune" (which has published quite a lot about the 787 these last weeks), the change that Boeing is going to to make on the plane might force them to "re-certify' the whole aircraft.
In this case, the 787 would be grounded 6 to 9 additional months.

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...s-experts.html

ANAN already cancelled their 787 operations for March.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/02/07/nh-mar13/
Additional 6 to 9 months for it's grounded??
How about the back log for 787?? Keep on line or somes cancel the order???
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