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Old March 3rd, 2013, 05:10 PM   #1661
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 05:12 PM   #1662
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 11:06 PM   #1663
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Wait a second, so 60 kg is all what saved going Li?
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Old March 4th, 2013, 05:26 AM   #1664
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GS Yuasa says working closely with Boeing to get 787 flying
Sun Mar 3, 2013 9:43pm EST

TOKYO (Reuters) - GS Yuasa Corp, the Japanese maker of lithium-ion battery cells used in Boeing Co's 787 Dreamliner, said it is working closely with the U.S. company, lead battery contractor Thales SA of France and regulators to get the 787 back into the air.

Its statement comes after a report in the Wall Street Journal on Thursday said the company disagreed with Boeing about what should be included in a package of measures aimed at getting the airliner back in the air.

Rest of the article : http://ca.reuters.com/article/busine...92301E20130304
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Old March 5th, 2013, 02:48 AM   #1665
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Boeing says it's ready to move fast on Dreamliner fix

Boeing says it's ready to get its grounded 787 Dreamliner back in the air, as soon as the FAA clears its proposed fix for a battery problem.


Ray Conner, CEO of the commercial airplanes unit of Boeing, told an investor conference in New York that the company proposed its solution to the battery fires to the Federal Aviation Administration on Feb. 22. Connor also presented the fix to Japanese safety regulators last week, when he traveled to Japan to apologize to Boeing customers for the problem. [...]

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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #1666
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Battery manufacturer says NTSB has now cleared both the Battery and Charger design and the individual units from the affected planes, cause of fire originated elsewhere in the Boeing design.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9240GE20130305

As to why no switch back to traditional batteries from Boeing the 60kg Lithium vs 120kg Nickel/Cadmium isnt really the issue, theres a chance that the change could prompt the FAA to require recertification of the electrical sub system, months of expensive flight tests.
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Old March 7th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #1667
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It's been sometime already(2 months), I remember those people trying to cool things down by saying it was going to be back on the air soon, I'm still waiting Boeing, missed my 787 flight due to a very simple battery hick up as many said.

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Mike Sinnett, chief project engineer for the Boeing 787 program, said the company remained confident in the safety of the plane, which was grounded worldwide by regulators last week over potential fire risk following two incidents involving its lithium-ion batteries.

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Old March 11th, 2013, 02:27 AM   #1668
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Emerged Boeing/Thales never actually tested the electrical system as a whole with a real battery as they were supposed to, they only tested individual components and simulated the battery in operational hour accumulation tests. FAA is accused of incompetence and negligent certification. NTSB says they are eager to discover why the Battery System did not meet FAA regulations. Lets just say the FAA will not be outsourcing the safety certification of a Boeing plane to Boeing itself again :P

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Old March 11th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #1670
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Emerged Boeing/Thales never actually tested the electrical system as a whole with a real battery as they were supposed to, they only tested individual components and simulated the battery in operational hour accumulation tests. FAA is accused of incompetence and negligent certification. NTSB says they are eager to discover why the Battery System did not meet FAA regulations. Lets just say the FAA will not be outsourcing the safety certification of a Boeing plane to Boeing itself again :P

http://blog.apex.aero/passenger-2/do...attery-system/
How deep the rabbit hole goes? Nobody really knows, I wonder what ever happened to those days when Boeing was a trusted company, on top of the situation the country is going trhu it only adds up to a string of mishaps in every corner of the country in many fields.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #1671
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Old March 12th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #1672
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Airlines seek alternative for grounded 787
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ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The prolonged grounding of Boeing's 787 Dreamliner has forced some airlines to seek alternative arrangements, including renting other planes to fill gaps for the upcoming busy summer travel season.

It's a sign that some Boeing customers don't expect a quick fix to the 787's problems.

Jeff Knittel of airplane leasing company CIT said on Tuesday that unnamed airlines are talking to CIT about alternatives to the Dreamliner. He said leasing rates for planes like the Boeing 767 and the Airbus A330 "have remained strong and strengthened slightly."

Interest has come from a handful of airlines that already have the plane or were supposed to get it before the summer travel season.


"This is not some feeding frenzy out there," Knittel said at an aviation finance conference. Airline fleet managers are just being practical, he said.

Boeing's newest jet has been grounded for almost two months because of two battery incidents, including a fire. Boeing has proposed a fix but it requires federal approval and further testing.

Fifty planes have been delivered to eight airlines. Deliveries are currently halted, but Boeing is still building the planes and has said it still expects to deliver at least 60 this year.

For now, airlines are making other plans. Last week, Norwegian Air Shuttle, which was due to receive its first 787s in April and June, said it will lease two Airbus A340s along with flight crews if it doesn't get its 787s on time.

The replacements will be costly for airlines, because planes like the 767 generally have more seats and are not as fuel efficient as the 787. Many airlines planned to use the 787 specifically on routes where the larger 767 was unlikely to be profitable, such as United's planned Denver-to-Tokyo flight, which has been postponed. United Continental Holdings Inc. has six 787s.

Boeing has 200 engineers working on a battery fix and has proposed a solution to U.S. and Japanese aviation regulators who are currently reviewing it.

Boeing, regulators, and the airlines that fly the 787 haven't said when they expect the plane to return to the skies. But Knittel's comments show that at least some airlines don't think it will be soon.

"This isn't about whether this will be resolved but when it will be resolved," Knittel said.

Knittel still stands behind the 787. His company has 10 of them on order and is expected to get its first at the end of 2014.

"I'd love to be in a position where we could accelerate orders," he said.

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Old March 12th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #1673
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I do feel bad for the airlines which based their expansion on this machine. We still have no knowledge of what actually caused those batteries to ignite.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #1674
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It's rumored that the FAA will give the green light to Boeing's temporary fix. That will be the start for the approval process for the fix, this could take some time because of the earlier certification issues that have come up recently.
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Old March 12th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #1675
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Paris Air Show without the 787 on the tarmac would be catastrophic for Boeing's image.
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Boeing making progress on 787 battery problems

US air-safety regulators have approved Boeing's plan to fix 787 batteries for testing, a major step forward to get the planes, grounded worldwide, flying again.

"The Federal Aviation Administration today approved the Boeing Commercial Airplane Company's certification plan for the redesigned 787 battery system... and the company's plan to demonstrate that the system will meet FAA requirements," the agency said in a statement.

The FAA says it has given the green light after "thoroughly reviewing" Boeing's February 22 plan to address risks, after lithium-ion batteries short-circuited on two 787 Dreamliner aircraft in mid-January.

A short circuit started a fire on a parked 787 at Boston's Logan Airport, and smoke from a battery forced an emergency landing in Japan.

The incidents led to the grounding of all 50 787s in service worldwide on January 16.

"The certification plan is the first step in the process to evaluate the 787's return to flight," the FAA said.

It "requires Boeing to conduct extensive testing and analysis to demonstrate compliance with the applicable safety regulations and special conditions."

The FAA says Boeing's battery improvements include a redesign of internal battery components "to minimize initiation of a short circuit within the battery."

Boeing says its fix also includes the addition of new insulation materials, stepped-up production and testing processes, and a containment system.

"We've introduced a new enclosure system that will keep any level of battery overheating from affecting the airplane or being noticed by passengers," Ray Conner, head of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, said in the statement.

Boeing will run a series of tests and be allowed "limited" test flights for two aircraft equipped with prototype versions of the battery fix.

"This comprehensive series of tests will show us whether the proposed battery improvements will work as designed," transportation secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement.

"We won't allow the plane to return to service unless we're satisfied that the new design ensures the safety of the aircraft and its passengers."

The FAA says it is continuing its comprehensive review of the design, production and manufacturing process of the cutting-edge jetliner, built largely with lightweight composite materials.

Boeing expressed confidence that its plan to address the problem will pass the test.

"Today's approval from the FAA is a critical and welcome milestone toward getting the fleet flying again and continuing to deliver on the promise of the 787," Jim McNerney, Boeing's chief executive, said in a separate statement.

The Chicago-based company says it will provide additional details of the improvements in the coming days.
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A next question could be: with the Dreamliner still grounded, is it possible for the affected airlines to lease similar aircraft to operate the affected routes that end up being canceled or have their operations reduced? I was thinking like the A330 or B777...
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A next question could be: with the Dreamliner still grounded, is it possible for the affected airlines to lease similar aircraft to operate the affected routes that end up being canceled or have their operations reduced? I was thinking like the A330 or B777...
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Old March 13th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #1680
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Looks like the 787 is powered by diesel engines.
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