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Old April 3rd, 2013, 07:38 PM   #1741
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First pictures of the painted LN-BKA to be precise.


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This article has more info on ANA's plans for the restart of their 787 service.

ANA to put pilots through Dreamliner resumption training: sources
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ana-pu...080606049.html

Too much news to post an extract, therefor some points from the article.

- Flight resumption training starts mid-April
- Service resumption in June
- ANA is looking at possibly starting with Haneda - Naha freight only flights only.
- Passenger flights will then come later, this is because of possible safety concerns from the passengers.
- Boeing will install the new batteries in order of delivery, ANA will be 1st.


All in all we can conclude that even if the FAA certifies the new batteries as early as this week it will still take more then a month before full service will resume. The installation of the new batteries and pilot training does take it's time.


In other news, Leeham News comes with a short message that UBS, the bank who tracks the Dreamlifter flights that more flights are happening then ever. This means that even with the ongoing grounding Boeing is still to ramp up the production as planned.

Boeing also started building a dedicated Dreamlifter Operations Center at Paine Field.
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 09:29 PM   #1742
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I been joking around with some friends about the plane, boo 787 until you fly again! hope it's not soon enough to rush things as they did before, a good fix should be done, no need to kill a few passengers to try and find the real causes.
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 09:55 PM   #1743
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The LN 86 will make another test flight today, still not the battery certification flight.

"Flight plan filed for 787 test flight today on Line #86. Flight is unrelated to battery testing/certification."
11:49 AM - 3 Apr 13
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/...22033589436416

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE272
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 11:18 PM   #1744
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And quite surprising news tonight.

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British Airways Boosts Boeing 787 Order With Iberia Set for More

British Airways (IAG) parent IAG said it will buy 18 additional Boeing Co. (BA) 787s and possibly more Dreamliners for its Iberia arm once restructuring measures for the Spanish unit take hold.

British Airways is exercising existing options for 787s to be delivered from 2017 through 2021 and phase out Boeing 747-400s, IAG said in a statement today.

IAG said it has also secured an unspecified number of additional delivery slots for future Iberia needs,
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IAG has exercised all of it's 18 options for the 787, plus it seems that they have "bought" new options for a future order for Iberia.

With this order they boost BA total orders to 42, there's no info in the article if it will be -8s or -9s.


When this order is confirmed as firm by Boeing it will mean that the 2013 total orders so far will be 60 after BA OneWorld partner American Airlines already ordered 42 in February. It also means the biggest number in gross orders since 2008 when Boeing added 94 new orders.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 09:54 AM   #1745
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LN102 ZA576 LN-BKA for Norwegian out of the paint hangar:

[img]http://i46.************/2hnxvfq.png[/img]

[img]http://i49.************/radldh.png[/img]

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EMC:
[img]http://i49.************/rj0h6t.png[/img]

Left side, from top:
LN17 ZA150 former CN-RGB Royal Air Maroc NTU
LN19 ZA151 former CN-RGC Royal Air Maroc NTU
LN39 ZA260 ET-AOO for Ethiopian Airlines

Right side, from top:
LN25 ZA230 VT-ANA for Air India
LN26 ZA231 VT-ANB for Air India
LN32 ZA235 VT-ANG for Air India

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Old April 4th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #1746
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Hmmm replacing 747s with them according to an article- not too sure what to make of that- the 777X or A350XWB would make better replacements IMO.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 04:35 PM   #1747
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The Norwegian B787 is a real beauty..
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Agreed! I love this livery on the 787. Any ideas who the next person on the tail will be?
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Old April 4th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #1749
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Hmmm replacing 747s with them according to an article- not too sure what to make of that- the 777X or A350XWB would make better replacements IMO.
BA's 744's are the most in need of replacement within their long haul fleet. Putting the A380 to one side, the ultimate replacement, be it A350-1000 or 777-9X, is still some years away. So, BA is taking up options on the 787 in order to get the most fuel efficient aircraft into the fleet more quickly. They have options in terms of retiring the 744's, using 777's in the their place and using 787's on the 777 routes. Also, using their bmi slots they can go for increasing frequencies. For example, 3x789 instead of 2x744, LHR-DME springs to mind.
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Old April 5th, 2013, 08:57 AM   #1750
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Since this new order will be delivered between 2017 and 2021 I don't think it's has to do with availability. It's more that they currently have 55 747s, BA is by far the biggest operator of the type right now. And the times have changed since they ordered all those 747s, it's very possible that BA is simply looking for smaller planes to partly replace the 747s. They will have the 12 A380s, for the most dense 747 routes, the 12 77Ws for a more direct replacement and later the 787-9 or the 787-10 for the routes where the 747 is now already a bit too big.

And yes, because IAG, even in their own press release didn't specify the subtype this could well that at least a part of this new order will be for the 787-10.

Plus they already have 24 787s on order, ordering more just make sense from a fleet communality perspective.

The only reason why availability would play a role is that even with the current troubles the 787 gives much more certainty that the delivery targets are much more certain then the A350 that hasn't flown yet or the 777X which is still a paper plane. There's still enough room for delays in those programs.
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Old April 5th, 2013, 09:30 AM   #1751
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The Norwegian B787 is a real beauty..
Indeed. I wish Norwegian Air Shuttle will have special liveries showcasing Norway's gorgeous fjords, mountains, or cities on its subsequent B787s. Those would be among the most gorgeous liveries I want to see.
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Old April 5th, 2013, 10:15 AM   #1752
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More aerial photos from Everett from Matt Cawby here:
http://kpae.blogspot.com/2013/04/pai...d-april-4.html

And here is pano from moonm, 04.04.2013:
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Paine Field 4-4-13 Full House in the rain by moonm, on Flickr

LN34 ZA380 B-2725 & LN43 ZA382 B-2727 for China Southern Airlines has engines attached again. LN73 ZA430 B-2728 for Hainan Airlines has its engines (under
installation at moonm's pano) again too. LN79 ZA432 B-2730 for Hainan Airlines still unpainted, parked at Tower Apron without engines. I'm really curious what was going on with these chinese engines. Maybe LN79 after reinstallation of engines will go to paint hangar for paint job.
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Old April 5th, 2013, 03:41 PM   #1753
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Is Ethiopian airlines owned by the government? If so how can they justify spending $200 million on a plane (5% of there GDP), when they are one of the poorest nations on earth?
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Curious indeed Piotr. What about LN93??

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Old April 5th, 2013, 07:14 PM   #1755
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Wich its going to be the next new livery?? Someone know??
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Is Ethiopian airlines owned by the government? If so how can they justify spending $200 million on a plane (5% of there GDP), when they are one of the poorest nations on earth?
Sadly, you're correct. Ethiopian Airlines is 100% owned by the Ethiopian Government. On justifying the purchase of B787 aircraft, well, some of their long-haul aircraft (especially the B757-200 and B767-300ERs) are already showing their age that the government is investing in replacing them with newer, more fuel-efficient and environmentally-friendly aircraft. To me, I think that such investments are a sign that Ethiopia is looking into a brighter future indeed.
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Is Ethiopian airlines owned by the government? If so how can they justify spending $200 million on a plane (5% of there GDP), when they are one of the poorest nations on earth?
I don't think that they need to. Airline is profitable and it was a prudent to go for a fuel saving plane.
All in all, it's hard to judge things like this just sitting in front of the PC.
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Curious indeed Piotr. What about LN93??
LN93 is sitting in Tower Apron with LN79 for Hainan. Still unpainted. I don't know anything about it's engines.
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Wich its going to be the next new livery?? Someone know??
Next will be British Airways. LN108 ZA450 G-ZBJA will be rolled out from FAL in two or three weeks.


Next test flight of SP-LRC ZA272:
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787 Line #86 departed Paine Field for 787 certification demonstration flight @ 10:39 am PT. Track it: http://bit.ly/YD1AEE
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Next will be British Airways. LN108 ZA450 G-ZBJA will be rolled out from FAL in two or three weeks.
With white engine nacelles?
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With today's test flight Boeing completes the certification testing, now it's up to the FAA to decide if Boeing needs to do more or that the new battery system is good enough to end the grounding.

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Boeing Completes Certification Testing for New 787 Battery System

EVERETT, Wash., April 5, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE:BA) completed a 787 certification demonstration flight today on line number 86, a Boeing-owned production airplane built for LOT Polish Airlines. Today's flight marks the final certification test for the new battery system, completing the testing required by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Today's flight departed from Paine Field in Everett, Wash. at 10:39 a.m. Pacific with a crew of 11 onboard, including two representatives from the FAA. The airplane flew for 1 hour and 49 minutes, landing back at Paine Field at 12:28 p.m. Pacific.

The crew reported that the certification demonstration plan was straightforward and the flight was uneventful. The purpose of the flight was to demonstrate that the new battery system performs as intended during normal and non-normal flight conditions.

Boeing will now gather and analyze the data and submit the required materials to the FAA. We expect to deliver all of the materials to the FAA in the coming days. Once we deliver the materials we stand ready to reply to additional requests and continue in dialog with the FAA to ensure we have met all of their expectations.
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