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Old April 6th, 2013, 02:43 AM   #1761
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With white engine nacelles?
The paint that is used on the engine nacelles is a very specific paint that needs to be applied very thinly because of the airflow around the engine (laminar flow). This paint only comes in white and grey. Airlines can choose to paint their engines in a different color with a different paint but that results in a loss of performance.


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Is Ethiopian airlines owned by the government? If so how can they justify spending $200 million on a plane (5% of there GDP), when they are one of the poorest nations on earth?
I think you need to redo your maths, $200 million is just 0.2% of their GDP. That's still a big percentage, but not as dramatic.

Ethiopian Airlines had a revenue of $1 billion in 2011 and made a reasonable profit.

I think your question should be how a country with such a GDP rate can have such a big airline.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 03:01 AM   #1762
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The paint that is used on the engine nacelles is a very specific paint that needs to be applied very thinly because of the airflow around the engine (laminar flow). This paint only comes in white and grey. Airlines can choose to paint their engines in a different color with a different paint but that results in a loss of performance.



I think you need to redo your maths, $200 million is just 0.2% of their GDP. That's still a big percentage, but not as dramatic.

Ethiopian Airlines had a revenue of $1 billion in 2011 and made a reasonable profit.

I think your question should be how a country with such a GDP rate can have such a big airline.
haha yeah sorry my maths was right off!

What GDP measure are you using? because the GDP of Ethiopia is not $100 billion.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 04:04 AM   #1763
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haha yeah sorry my maths was right off!

What GDP measure are you using? because the GDP of Ethiopia is not $100 billion.
All right, let me put it into this perspective: according to Wikipedia on the Economy of Ethiopia...

GDP: $103,100,000,000
GDP growth: 7%

I will provide the links of those when I get a chance.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 04:12 AM   #1764
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All right, let me put it into this perspective: according to Wikipedia on the Economy of Ethiopia...

GDP: $103,100,000,000
GDP growth: 7%

I will provide the links of those when I get a chance.
Ah you are using ppp GDP. Sorry I use offfical exchange rate GDP.
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Ah you are using ppp GDP. Sorry I use offfical exchange rate GDP.
Yes I was. The official rate GDP could be a bit difficult to find, but we'll find a way to get that figure.

Anyways, I wonder if the 787 is a suitable replacement also to the 757s (not just the 767s, which are already wide-bodied aircraft), not only because it has two engines, but also its seating capacity may be similar to the narrow-bodied aircraft. What's your take on this?
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Old April 6th, 2013, 08:28 AM   #1766
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I used the CIA factbook, that is also the source of the Wiki article.

The Worldbank estimated that it was $30 billion in 2011, another source says $38 billion. Than a 787 is still worth just 0.5% of the GDP. And with the rapid growth of the GDP this percentage is going down fast.

The reason why Ethiopian can still buy 13 787s and on top of that 12 A350s is simply that it's a global company. A large percentage of it's revenue comes from foreign customers. This comes back in their revenue of more then $1 billion, it's also a company that makes a good profit every year. The country might be still one of the poorest countries, they still were able to built a very successful airline.


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It's not a direct replacement for the 757 since the 787 is significantly larger, in size and seating capacity. But there will be routes were 787s will replace 757s, like the transatlantic routes between the US and Europe. The superior economy of the 757 makes it possible to offer more seats for the same costs.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 08:38 AM   #1767
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LN105 ZA186 JA833J for Japan Airlines is out of the paint hangar. It's 3rd completed 788 for JAL in the Everett (2 still in EMC). Next one will be assembled in Charleston, LN125 ZA187.
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Is Avianca's first 787 still expected for April 2014? If so when should we expect it to enter the assembly line?
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Old April 6th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #1769
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The paint that is used on the engine nacelles is a very specific paint that needs to be applied very thinly because of the airflow around the engine (laminar flow). This paint only comes in white and grey. Airlines can choose to paint their engines in a different color with a different paint but that results in a loss of performance.
What I don't get is why that paint is critical for the engine nacelles only. Is the laminar flow not more important over the fuselage, given its size?
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What I don't get is why that paint is critical for the engine nacelles only. Is the laminar flow not more important over the fuselage, given its size?
Laminar flow is more important over the wings, since it causes lift, I really don't quite get why laminar flow over the engines is quite a big deal with the 787 and not with other aircrafts.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #1771
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I also don't know why it's such a big deal for the 787 engines, maybe it has to do with the 787 nacelles being a different material then "regular" nacelles on other planes.



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Is Avianca's first 787 still expected for April 2014? If so when should we expect it to enter the assembly line?
If it's indeed still April 2014 and I haven't seen any indication why it shouldn't then it should enter the assembly line in January or early February 2014. Maybe a bit earlier depending on which assembly line it will be allocated.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #1772
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ZA272 (SP-LRC) again in the air:
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Nice landing video from the test flight.

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My mistake. LN105 ZA186 for JAL is JA832J, not JA833J.
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In November 2014, we'll begin taking delivery of 42 Boeing 787 Dreamliners.

source:http://www.facebook.com/AmericanAirlines
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It now becomes clear that Boeing has increased the production rate.

The LN107, JA821A, ANA was predicted to roll out of the assembly line this week. But the unpainted 787 that was standing outside of the assembly line building for a week turns out to actually be this plane. The general consensus among the followers was that this was the LN106, G-TUID, Thomson, but that one was actually rolled out of the assembly line directly into the paint hangar so we never saw it unpainted. But yesterday it was rolled out fully painted, but the other 787 was still standing on the same spot as the week before.

This actually means that the 1st 787 for BA should now be scheduled to come out of the assembly this week. We have to wait and see if they will park it on the flight line or if it will be painted straight away.
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In November 2014, we'll begin taking delivery of 42 Boeing 787 Dreamliners.

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With that development, which aircraft type/s will be replaced with the 787? Will it be either the oldest 767s (-200 and -300 variants), the 777-200ERs, or even all of them?
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The 787 will replace the 767 at AA, this together with A321s for the thinner routes. The 777-200ERs are not officially up for replacement yet, but with the -300ER coming into the fleet some of the -200ERs will be converted into a 2-class configuration. Then they might also replace some of the 767-300ERs on the busiest 767 routes.

But this doesn't take the merger with US Airways into account. It will give the new company more replacement options for the current fleet, so nothing is set in stone right now.
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