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Old April 9th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #1781
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The 787 will replace the 767 at AA, this together with A321s for the thinner routes. The 777-200ERs are not officially up for replacement yet, but with the -300ER coming into the fleet some of the -200ERs will be converted into a 2-class configuration. Then they might also replace some of the 767-300ERs on the busiest 767 routes.

But this doesn't take the merger with US Airways into account. It will give the new company more replacement options for the current fleet, so nothing is set in stone right now.
Those will be great! I suspect that the 787 might also replace the 767s used on its Flagship Service between JFK and Los Angeles, as well as between JFK and San Francisco, given their popularity and competition against United's p.s. service on the same routes too.

Plus, with the A330s that AA will also acquire from US Airways when the two merge, what do you think is the possibility for adding more of that aircraft type, as well as keeping the seat configurations on the A332s and A333s? Hopefully, those will stay in place and not be replaced with the 787s because that would allow the airline to expand its reach even further, as well as increasing aircraft flexibility.
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With AAs big 787 order and the US Airways A350 order I doubt that they will order more A330s. Although it becomes a possibility when Airbus does decide to cancel the A350 and offer a A330neo as a replacement.

Plus with the fleet and route optimizing that come with such a merger it might not even be necessary to add new aircraft to open some new routes.
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Another test flight today, this time with the ZA005. All the extreme battery test on the ground didn't wreck the plane.


"787 test flight planned on ZA005 today. Routine functional check flight unrelated to battery certification."
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Old April 9th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #1784
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Although it becomes a possibility when Airbus does decide to cancel the A350 and offer a A330neo as a replacement.
What are you talking about? So far I know, there is not such 330NEO nor Airbus has plan to cancel the A350 ... I don't get it.
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Old April 9th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #1785
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Those will be great! I suspect that the 787 might also replace the 767s used on its Flagship Service between JFK and Los Angeles, as well as between JFK and San Francisco, given their popularity and competition against United's p.s. service on the same routes too.
Nope. American (mind you prior to the official merger) ordered a dedicated fleet of A321 to fly this transcontinental route. I find it a little odd they chose to do this order for a few reasons: (1) Keeping a "true" First Class (since US Carriers call their front of the buses "First Class" when it really isn't "First") while others are removing First Class cabins with the introduction of lie-flat Business Class; and (2) Why a dedicated fleet? The deployment of this aircraft to other routes is limited.

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What are you talking about? So far I know, there is not such 330NEO nor Airbus has plan to cancel the A350 ... I don't get it.
Ah, I actually meant the A350-800, which order total has only gone down the last couple of years. Since US Airways has 18 of the A350-800 on order the developments around the subtype will have a big effect on them. It's almost certain that the time-line of the development of the -800 will be switched with the -1000, creating earlier production slots for the bigger variant.

And Airbus has said that they are seriously looking into a re-engined A330 = A330neo. Even if it's only as an alternative to huge backlogs of both the 787 and the A350-900.
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The ZA272 (SP-LRC) is also flying today, it's been a while since 2 787s took to the sky in 1 day.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE272


No tweet from Boeing on this flight though, and it's probably also not a new battery test flight. But Boeing will of course use these flight hours monitoring the batteries and share the data with the FAA and that will only help the certification process.

It will be fun when Boeing restarts all the regular pre delivery test flights. There are currently 25 787s awaiting 1st flight plus 5 that have already flown but probably need some more flights because they have been grounded for so long.
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Hmmm now that should be interesting to see how long they take. But yes great to see 2 flying.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 06:42 PM   #1789
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LN108 ZA450 G-ZBJA for British Airways rolled out from FAL.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #1790
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Old April 10th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #1791
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wait few hours, until Matt Cawby will post picture. BA is (maybe incompletely) painted:
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Nope. American (mind you prior to the official merger) ordered a dedicated fleet of A321 to fly this transcontinental route. I find it a little odd they chose to do this order for a few reasons: (1) Keeping a "true" First Class (since US Carriers call their front of the buses "First Class" when it really isn't "First") while others are removing First Class cabins with the introduction of lie-flat Business Class; and (2) Why a dedicated fleet? The deployment of this aircraft to other routes is limited.

Interesting. But I think this is a bit off-topic. I would like to see this discussion on the A320 thread, in which I already suspect would be an interesting concept. I already know that flights between Charlotte and Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Las Vegas already use the A321, and should the two airlines, AA and US Airways, merge, there will be a lot more A321s in operation.

However, I still don't discount the 787 to be operated on select domestic routes, the same way the 767s are used on select domestic services.
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Are they modifying them already??
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Originally published Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 7:09 PM
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Boeing email warns 787 tech staff of layoffs

Manufacturing engineers on the 787 jet program were told via email Wednesday that, though they were responsible for saving the program, layoffs are imminent.

Manufacturing engineers on the 787 Dreamliner program Wednesday became the latest group at Boeing to hear bad news of imminent downsizing.

It came early in the morning, in an email from a senior manager that thanked them for saving the troubled jet program, then announced layoffs are coming.

Boeing manager Kevin Ettwein sent the note, a copy of which was obtained by The Seattle Times.

The manufacturing engineers (MEs) are both degreed engineers and non-degreed technical staff who develop and maintain manufacturing plans for the jet-assembly lines.

Hundreds of these employees on each jet program act as a critical link between the engineers who design the jets and the mechanics who build them.

Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel said the internal email is “incomplete and premature” and “the specifics around any future workforce plans for Manufacturing Engineering are not yet final.” He declined to say how many MEs there are for the 787.

Ettwein’s note opened with a flattering assertion. He told the 787 MEs that they had saved the program by getting it through the troubled years of initial production.

That’s the period, roughly 2007 through 2011, when Boeing’s supplier partners delivered pieces to Everett that were unfinished, completely snarling final assembly.

“Occasionally I am asked why there are so many MEs on the 787 Program,” Ettwein wrote. “Rather than go through the history of the 787 and the impacts of some poor decisions, I usually answer with conviction, Because that is how many the Program needed to save it.”

When airplane design changes are made, it’s the MEs who must adjust the production process to incorporate the new design. On the 787 there were many, from the strengthening of the wing-to-body join to the latest battery issue.

Ettwein said the team “spent countless hours helping Boeing/Partner/and Supplier Mechanics deal with change after change and to understand the build plan, processes, and specifications.”

“Our team has largely recovered a program that had little or no plan for Manufacturing Engineering,” Ettwein wrote, adding the team “was key to the overall progression of the Program.”

Now the bad news

After that generous tribute, Ettwein’s second paragraph got straight to the real news:

“While we are by no means out of the woods as a Program, this year we have decided to start downsizing our team to become proportionate to the ME presence on other programs,” Ettwein wrote. “I know many of you have been talking to your managers about our staffing reductions and they should be telling you if you are ‘at risk’ of receiving a WARN (layoff notice).”

Boeing will help those who will be laid off, including looking for open positions within the company and “planning rιsumι workshops and mock interviews, as well as potentially talking to some of our suppliers to see if they need help.”

“Please know that the ME leadership team does not take staffing reductions lightly,” he added. “We are committed to assisting those of you who are impacted in finding new opportunities.”

He then signed off with a flourish:

“ME Rocks because of you.

Best Regards,

Kevin.”

Ray Goforth, executive director of the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA), which represents the manufacturing engineers, said he’s heard from members who reacted “with anger and dismay at the dismissiveness” of the message.

He summarized the note as “thank you very much, we don’t need you anymore.”

Reached by phone at work in Everett, Ettwein said, “We are getting healthier as a team” but declined to elaborate until he had checked with Boeing’s communications department on whether he was permitted to talk. He did not call back.

Instead, Birtel sent a statement saying, “It would be premature for us to discuss anything publicly before our internal work has been completed.”

“When our plans are finalized for the Manufacturing Engineering team, we will share the details of those plans, starting with our internal teams,” Birtel wrote.

This week, Boeing handed formal 60-day layoff warning notices to 939 production workers, members of the Machinists union.

Boeing spokesman Doug Alder said not all of those will be laid off. The company’s plan, he said, remains what was announced last month: layoffs of about 800 Machinists by the end of the year, with as many as 1,500 additional positions cut through attrition or transfers.

Boeing had said then that the production-worker downsizing was needed because final assembly of the two newest jets — the 747-8 jumbo jet and the 787 Dreamliner — has stabilized and so the assembly lines require fewer workers.

In addition, protracted post-assembly rework is winding down on early 747-8s and 787s that rolled out in need of modification.

The stabilization of 787 production would also explain why fewer 787 manufacturing engineers are needed.

With changes to the design now minimal, production should flow relatively smoothly, monitored by fewer MEs than in the past.

Other Boeing white-collar cuts are in the works.

Last month, Boeing confirmed that some work would shift from the Puget Sound region for various units, cutting hundreds of white-collar jobs here.

That work includes information-technology support, some of which will move to St. Louis and some to North Charleston, S.C.; pilot training, which will move by summer to Miami; and engineering support for customers flying out-of-production aircraft, which Boeing may move to Long Beach, Calif.

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6:52p.m. EDT April 9, 2013

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — Boeing announced Tuesday it is expanding in South Carolina, investing another $1 billion and creating 2,000 new jobs over eight years.

The state is providing $120 million in incentives for upfront expansion costs such as utilities and site preparation at Boeing's North Charleston manufacturing complex that now employs about 6,000.

The Boeing plant also builds mid- and aft-body assemblies for 787s that are made in South Carolina and Everett, Wash. Jones said seven assemblies are put together each month and the number will increase to 10 this fall.
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Boeing has already send personal and equipment to Japan for the battery change. So even though it doesn't become clear from the pictures it could well be that they are already busy with the modifications.
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Boeing has already send personal and equipment to Japan for the battery change. So even though it doesn't become clear from the pictures it could well be that they are already busy with the modifications.
I take it the modifications ain't as simple as changing the battery units over with the new modified units...
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