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Old April 19th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #1821
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Fklightaware doesn't really know what happening today with the 787, it's sure it's confusing for a computer.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 02:20 AM   #1822
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Apparently the Boeing teams are already in Addis Abeba so they've probably started modifying the aircraft already.
How can they start to modify if the FAA hasn't given the all clear yet? Is the grounding already over and we do not know yet?
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Old April 19th, 2013, 04:56 AM   #1823
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Fklightaware doesn't really know what happening today with the 787, it's sure it's confusing for a computer.


In other news,

Ethiopian has said that it will resume flying the 787 from next week (April 25) on their Dubai flights.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/04/18/et-787-apr13update/

If they will actually use the 787 it will mean that they will be flying the plane without the new batteries. Even though it highly unlikely that something will happen with the batteries during these flight it's still a risk to take. And it's something that they can only do if the local regulators will allow it. But since they won't be flying to the US, Europe or Japan I don't think this will be a big problem. I can imagine that Air India will also do something like this with domestic or regional flights.
A group of 28 technicians already arrived in Addis last week and they were to start working on the batteries of 4 Dreamliners Ethiopian got ,But since FAA delayed its decision they are just checking other parts of the aircrafts if they still functioning ok.According to local news Ethiopian Dreamliners will be the first one to be back on air ,but to finish fixing the batteries will take about a month .So I don't we going to see any flight soon and I am not sure if they realy about to fly to Dubai next week.
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Well maybe, they were the 3rd airline to receive the 787, they only got 4 and only 1 is needed for the proposed flights. But seeing other airlines taking a bit more conservative approach when it comes to starting the flights it's still remarkable that they want to do it this fast. Ethiopian surely isn't concerned by possible doubts in the public about the safety of the plane. And you would also expect that there needs to be some reentry pilot training, and not just simulator training on the 787 before they will actually to operate it commercially.

I don't think that it's a smart idea to market your airline as the 1st one to restart the 787 flights.


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The Wall Street Journal is now saying that the FAA could end the grounding already today.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...970240928.html



The FAA has now also given Boeing the approval for the costumer flights that are without any restrictions, this basically means that the formal lifting of the grounding is now only a formality. It was already clear to Boeing that the FAA would be approving the new batteries for some time, otherwise they would not have started to install the new DuraFlame batteries on the delivered fleet.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #1825
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ANA JA818A flew again:
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GTR as Momo says it seems Boeing probably know something we don't plus they don't want to waste any time.
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Old April 19th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #1827
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And it's official, the 787 will be allowed to fly again from next week.
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FAA clears Boeing 787 to return to flight

FAA approves Boeing’s battery fix

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced Friday that it has formally approved Boeing’s design for modifications to the 787 Dreamliner battery system, clearing the way to end the plane’s three-month grounding.

The agency said it will issue instructions to airlines next week for making changes to the aircraft and will publish in the Federal Register the final directive that will allow the 787 to return to service with the battery system modifications.

The FAA will require airlines that operate the 787 to install Boeing’s containment and venting systems for the main and auxiliary system batteries, and to replace the batteries and their chargers with modified components.
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And the original statement from the FAA.
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Press Release – FAA Approves Boeing 787 Battery System Design Changes

April 19, 2013

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today took the next step in returning the Boeing 787 to flight by approving Boeing's design for modifications to the 787 battery system. The changes are designed to address risks at the battery cell level, the battery level and the aircraft level.

Next week, the FAA will issue instructions to operators for making changes to the aircraft and will publish in the Federal Register the final directive that will allow the 787 to return to service with the battery system modifications. The directive will take effect upon publication. The FAA will require airlines that operate the 787 to install containment and venting systems for the main and auxiliary system batteries, and to replace the batteries and their chargers with modified components.

“Safety of the traveling public is our number one priority. These changes to the 787 battery will ensure the safety of the aircraft and its passengers,” said Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.

“A team of FAA certification specialists observed rigorous tests we required Boeing to perform and devoted weeks to reviewing detailed analysis of the design changes to reach this decision,” said FAA Administrator Michael Huerta.

To assure proper installation of the new design, the FAA will closely monitor modifications of the aircraft in the U.S. fleet. The FAA will stage teams of inspectors at the modification locations. Any return to service of the modified 787 will only take place after the FAA accepts the work.

As the certifying authority, the FAA will continue to support other authorities around the world as they finalize their own acceptance procedures.
http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releas...m?newsId=14554
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Boeings press release:

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Boeing to Begin Modifying 787s as FAA Approves Battery Improvements

EVERETT, Wash., April 19, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Today's approval of battery system improvements for the 787 Dreamliner by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) clears the way for Boeing (NYSE: BA) and its customers to install the approved modifications and will lead to a return to service and resumption of new production deliveries.

The FAA's action will permit the return to service of 787s in the United States upon installation of the improvements. For 787s based and modified outside the United States, local regulatory authorities provide the final approval on return to service.

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"We are all very grateful to our customers for their patience during the past several months," said Conner. "We know it hasn't been easy on them to have their 787s out of service and their deliveries delayed. We look forward to helping them get back into service as quickly as possible."

Boeing has deployed teams to locations around the world to begin installing improved battery systems on 787s. Kits with the parts needed for the new battery systems are staged for shipment and new batteries also will be shipped immediately. Teams have been assigned to customer locations to install the new systems. Airplanes will be modified in approximately the order they were delivered.

"The Boeing team is ready to help get our customers' 787s back in the air where they belong," said Conner.

Boeing will also begin installing the changes on new airplanes at the company's two 787 final-assembly plants, with deliveries expected to resume in the weeks ahead. Despite the disruption in deliveries that began in January, Boeing expects to complete all planned 2013 deliveries by the end of the year. Boeing further expects that the 787 battery issue will have no significant impact to its 2013 financial guidance.
full press release:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2660



The Seattle Times also reported that the FAA has not withdrawn the ETOPS 180 certification for the 787. It was reported that it was under review, and if it was reduced it would have caused many problems for the airlines using the 787 since it wouldn't be able to fly some of the routes that pass the oceans. Boeing had asked the FAA to certify the 787 for ETOPS 240 and beyond before the grounding. But that is still under review and probably needs a long period without any problems. Air New Zealand is the 1st airline that needs this certification for their trans pacific routes, but since they will only start to use the 787 from next year it could be up by then. And if not they will use the 787 for the flights to Asia.


But for now it will be exiting to watch who will be the airline that will restart the 787 operations and the 1st airline that will take delivery of new 787s.

The last delivery was the VT-ANJ for Air India. That one was initially delivered early January, but later on it was removed from Boeings delivery list until earlier this month when it appeared again as a March delivery.
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I made a list of airlines that have 787s waiting outside of the Boeing factories in Everett and Charleston. There are 34 in total and (5 that already have made flights).

China Southern Airlines: 5 (1)
Hainan Airlines: 5 (1)
ANA: 4 (1)
Air India: 4 (1)
TUI Travel (Thomson): 4 (0)
LOT Polish Airlines: 3 (1)
Japan Airlines: 3 (0)
Qatar Airways: 3 (0)
Ethiopian Airlines: 1 (0)
Norwegian: 1 (0)
British Airways: 1 (0)


We could see a quick delivery to ANA and LOT. I expect some Qatar, JAL & Ethiopian test flights soon, so they can also take delivery next month. Air India will still be problematic because of financing. The Chinese 787s will need the approval of the Chinese authorities first, it's going to be interesting how fast that will go. Thomson, Norwegian and BA are new operators, they could delivery soon but I wouldn't be surprised if they will go after the current operators. A 1st delivery is always a bit more special needing more Boeing staff, who could now be busy with the modifications of the existing fleet.
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Old April 20th, 2013, 01:17 PM   #1830
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I dont' know if its true, but Pasazer.com is listing that schedule of deliveries:
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LN 86 / SP-LRC LOT-u
LN 83 / JA818A ANA
LN 43 / B-2727 China Southern
LN 72 / VT-ANM Air India
LN 73 / B-2728 Hainan Airlines
LN 87 / SP-LRD LOT
LN 88 / SP-LRE LOT
LN 89 / JA830J Japan Airlines
LN 92 / G-TUIA Thomson Airways
LN 102 / LN-BKA Norwegian
http://www.pasazer.com/in-13601-powr...od,czerwca.php
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ZA003 returning back into BFI from PDX to complete the Dream Tour last May! - BF


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Old April 21st, 2013, 05:01 AM   #1832
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The Ethiopian Dreamliner Cockpit



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I dont' know if its true, but Pasazer.com is listing that schedule of deliveries:
http://www.pasazer.com/in-13601-powr...od,czerwca.php
It could be true, but it mostly looks like a list of the frames that could be delivered as soon as possible. There simply too many factors right now that could mix everything up again.

ANA for example won't be using theirs 787s on passenger flights until June, they could easily postpone their 1st post grounding delivery until that month.

Quote:
Japan's ANA to conduct up to 200 Boeing 787 test flights: sources

(Reuters) - All Nippon Airways (9202.T) (ANA), the biggest customer for Boeing Co's (BA.N) grounded 787 Dreamliner, plans about 100 to 200 round trip test flights in May of its repaired aircraft before carrying passengers again from June, sources said.

The test flights are aimed at checking the safety of the aircraft, as well as having about 200 of ANA's Dreamliner pilots get accustomed to flying it again after more than a three-month break, one of the sources said.
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We just have to wait and see how it all turns out.
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I dont' know if its true, but Pasazer.com is listing that schedule of deliveries:
http://www.pasazer.com/in-13601-powr...od,czerwca.php
Where do they get their info from??
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I don't know, that why I wrote "if".
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I know this not set in stone information yet but here is a list of 787 operation restarts for all the airlines. Airroute.net

Update as of 21APR13: Boeing 787 Operators Planned Service Resumption

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Update at 0730GMT 21APR13

The US FAA on Friday 19APR13 has given the green light for Boeing 787 commercial service resumption, as it approved Boeing’s proposal of improved lithium-ion battery systems for the Dreamliner. As per 21APR13 GDS timetable and inventory display, existing Boeing 787 operators’ (prior to grounding) plan for its Dreamliner service resumption dates are listed below. Note these dates are not set in stone, especially with carriers that has not updated Boeing 787 operational schedule since March 2013.

Further changes to planned resumption dates will be reported during the course of next few weeks once GDS info is being updated.

Air India
*Boeing 787 schedule updated on 20APR13
Delhi – Bangalore 1 daily (AI803/505) resumes from 17MAY13 (Service operates as AI439 Delhi – Chennai – Bangalore – Delhi with A330-200 till 16MAY13)
Delhi – Chennai 1 daily (AI439/430) from 17MAY13
Delhi – Frankfurt 1 daily from 16MAY13 (Boeing 777-200LR operating until 15MAY13)
Delhi – Kolkata 1 daily (AI020/021) from 22MAY13
Delhi – London Heathrow 1 daily (AI115/116) from 16MAY13 (Boeing 777-200LR operating this flight until 15MAY13)
Delhi – Paris CDG 1 daily from 16MAY13 (Boeing 777-300ER operating this flight until 15MAY13)

ANA
*Planned Boeing 787 service resumes from 01JUN13. Boeing 787 schedule updated on 25FEB13
Osaka Itami – Kagoshima 1 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Akita 1 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Frankfurt 1 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Fukuoka 1 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Hiroshima 2 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Kagoshima 5 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Kumamoto 4 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Matsuyama 2 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Miyazaki 3 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Okayama 3 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Osaka Itami 3 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Takamatsu 3 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Toyama 3 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Yamaguchi-Ube 3 daily
Tokyo Narita – San Jose CA 5 weekly from 01SEP13
Tokyo Narita – Seattle 5 weekly from 02SEP13

Ethiopian Airlines
*Boeing 787 schedule updated on 19APR13
Addis Ababa – Dubai 2 daily from 25APR13 (Frequencies varies from June 2013)
Addis Ababa – Frankfurt 1 daily from 16JUN13
Addis Ababa – Harare – Lusaka – Addis Ababa 4 weekly from 17MAY13
Addis Ababa – Johannesburg 1 daily from 16JUN13
Addis Ababa – Lusaka – Harare – Addis Ababa 3 weekly from 16MAY13
Addis Ababa – Mumbai 1 daily from 16MAY13
Addis Ababa – Washington Dulles Up to 5 weekly from 07MAY13 to 15JUN13 (outbound via Rome; IAD departure 08MAY13 to 16JUN13)

JAL
*Planned Boeing 787 service resumes from 01JUN13. Boeing 787 schedule updated on 25FEB13
Tokyo Haneda – Beijing 1 daily
Tokyo Haneda – Singapore 1 daily
Tokyo Narita – Boston 1 daily
Tokyo Narita – Delhi 1 daily
Tokyo Narita – Moscow Domodedovo 3 weekly
Tokyo Narita – San Diego 1 daily
Tokyo Narita – Singapore 2 daily

Revised launch date on Tokyo Narita – Helsinki route has not been announced

LAN Airlines
*Boeing 787 schedule updated on 03APR13
Santiago de Chile – Lima – Los Angeles 1 daily from 01JUN13 (4 weekly from 01JUL13 to 31AUG13)
Santiago de Chile – Madrid – Frankfurt 1 daily from 30JUN13

LOT Polish Airlines
*Prior to the FAA announcement on Friday 19APR13, LOT planned to resume Boeing 787 service from 27OCT13
Warsaw – Beijing
Warsaw – Chicago
Warsaw – New York JFK
Warsaw – Toronto

Norwegian
*Prior to the FAA announcement, Norwegian postponed planned Boeing 787 inaugural until late-August 2013 instead of late-May 2013
Oslo – Bangkok 3 weekly from 31AUG13
Oslo – New York JFK 3 weekly from 01SEP13
Stockholm – Bangkok 3 weekly from 31AUG13
Stockholm – New York JFK 3 weekly from 02SEP13

QATAR Airways
*Boeing 787 schedule updated on 08APR13
Doha – Frankfurt 1 daily from 25MAY13 (2 daily from 01JUN13)
Doha – London Heathrow 1 daily (QR075/076) from 15MAY13
Doha – Munich 1 daily from (QR009/010) 20MAY13 (11 weekly from 01JUN13, 14 weekly from 02OCT13)
Doha – Zurich 1 daily from 01JUN13

Thomson Airways
*Prior to the FAA announcement, Thomson Airways postponed planned Boeing 787 service due to start from May 2013
East Midlands – Cancun
East Midlands – Orlando Sanford
Glasgow – Cancun
Glasgow – Orlando Sanford
London Gatwick – Cancun
London Gatwick – Orlando Sanford
Manchester – Cancun
Manchester – Orlando Sanford

UNITED
*Boeing 787 schedule updated on 07APR13
Denver – Tokyo Narita 1 daily from 10JUN13 (NRT from 11JUN13)
Houston – Denver 1 daily from 31MAY13
Houston – Lagos 5 weekly from 01AUG13
Houston – London Heathrow 1 daily from 10JUN13 to 31JUL13 (LHR from 11JUN13 to 01AUG13)
Los Angeles – Shanghai Pu Dong 1 daily from 02AUG13 (PVG from 03AUG13)
Los Angeles – Tokyo Narita 1 daily from 01AUG13 (NRT from 02AUG13)
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*Prior to the FAA announcement on Friday 19APR13, LOT planned to resume Boeing 787 service from 27OCT13
Warsaw – Beijing
Warsaw – Chicago
Warsaw – New York JFK
Warsaw – Toronto
It isn't true. LOT will resume 787 flights in first days of June.
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I don't know, that why I wrote "if".

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The 1st 1st flight since the grounding is taking place now.


And it's not the LN 43, B-2727 China Southern that was supposed to fly a couple of days ago but didn't, it's also not one of the 787 in Everett.


Currently in the air is LN76, B-2729, Hainan Airlines, that took of from Charleston over an hour ago and is now flying circles over the ocean.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE431

With the test flights for the Chinese 787s, even if they are delayed it does look like the Chinese regulators have approved the 787 during the time it was grounded. So hopefully we will see some deliveries to Hainan and China Southern soon.
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