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Old April 26th, 2013, 12:36 PM   #1881
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They already released seatmaps and it will use the same club world, world traveler and world traveler plus as the recent generation (a380, 773 etc) it's 2-3-2 forwards/backwards in club world (35 seats), 2-3-2 in world traveler plus (25 seats) and the unfortunately customary 3-3-3 in world traveler (154 seats).

The paint job does look sharp though, doesn't it.
Indeed. The paint job looks splendid, yet I'm sad to see that Club First will not be included in the B787 — perhaps because the space is more limited, but its great to have the latest cabin products on board BA's Dreamliners.

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Absolutely right, and the -9 is optimised to replace all those A343's so it should outsell its smaller sister.
Definitely something I truly want to see. Should that happen, there may be so many customers ordering that aircraft type, a long backlog may occur over time.

And by the way, question: can a 787 be designed to carry 4 classes of service (First, Business, Premium Economy, and Economy), similar to a 77W, or is it limited to 3 classes?
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Old April 26th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #1882
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TOKYO — The Japanese authorities formally approved Boeing’s fixes to the batteries on its 787 Dreamliner jets Friday and declared the aircraft fit for use, clearing the path for its biggest operators to begin flying the planes again following a grounding that began in January.

U.S. and European regulators have already approved Boeing’s plans to add safety features to the 787’s lithium-ion batteries that would minimize the odds that they would emit smoke or catch fire, after two units overheated on separate planes in January.

Late Friday, the Japanese Ministry of Transport followed suit, authorizing All Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines — which together own about half of the 50 Dreamliners delivered — to resume flights of a plane whose grounding has affected tens of thousands of passengers.

The ministry is asking All Nippon and Japan Airlines to adapt voluntary safety measures, including adding monitors to the batteries to read voltage levels in real time, before the planes are brought back to service.

Akihiro Ota, the transport minister, said at a news conference earlier Friday that he was satisfied with the multiple measures Boeing had taken to eliminate risks of fire. “They have adopted defense in depth,” Mr. Ota said.

All Nippon said that teams of Boeing engineers had already started to replace batteries on all of its 17 Dreamliners and that fixes would take until the end of May to complete. The airline said it would start using the planes again for commercial flights when the fixes had been made to its entire fleet. Japan Airlines declined to speculate on how long the fixes would take.

All Nippon said its 787s would each undergo a test flight to “confirm that no battery-related failures occur during flight.” The first test flight is scheduled for April 28, the Tokyo-based airline said in a statement.

The airline will also install improved battery monitoring systems on its planes and put its 787 cockpit crews through additional in-flight training. After the planes are back in service, the airline will remove a sample of batteries to inspect to make sure the improvements are effective, All Nippon said.

All Nippon said it intends to set up a dedicated Web site to address passenger concerns about the safety of the 787.

“Only when we are fully satisfied with the safety of our 787 fleet will we return the aircraft to service,” Osamu Shinobe, president and chief executive of All Nippon, said in a statement.

U.S. and Japanese regulators have been investigating the Japanese-made batteries aboard the 787 after one caught fire aboard a parked plane in Boston operated by Japan Airlines and another emitted smoke during an All Nippon flight in Japan, forcing an emergency landing. The incidents prompted regulators to ground the entire 787 fleet.

Norihiro Goto, the head of the Japan Transport Safety Board, said earlier this past week that investigators remained unsure what had caused the batteries to overheat. But Japan was satisfied that Boeing had now considered all conceivable potential problems that could lead to a battery fire, Mr. Goto said.

Japanese airlines have been enthusiastic buyers of the 787, Boeing’s latest-generation, fuel-efficient plane. It is the first passenger jet to use lithium-ion batteries, which are more powerful, easier to charge and lighter than older battery technologies. But they have also proven to be prone to overheating.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #1883
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Old April 26th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #1884
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BA's livery looks clean and sexy on the 787.
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Old April 27th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #1886
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And by the way, question: can a 787 be designed to carry 4 classes of service (First, Business, Premium Economy, and Economy), similar to a 77W, or is it limited to 3 classes?
I would expect BA to configure at least some of their 787-9's with 4 classes.
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Old April 27th, 2013, 01:45 AM   #1887
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Old April 27th, 2013, 03:35 AM   #1888
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I would expect BA to configure at least some of their 787-9's with 4 classes.
That'd be good. But I'm wondering if the First Class seats will be suites, and the Business Class seats will have lie-down bed seats, especially the length of the 787-9 could be shorter than the 77W.
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- Boeing assembling 115th 787-8
- First 787-9 LN126 ‘slightly underweight’
First 787-9 final assembly to start in May
- 787-9 first flight in Aug/Sep & EIS in April 2014
- LN103 787-8 meeting weight targets
- Earlier than LN140-150 ‘several hundred kilogrammes’ overweight forecast

- Latest Rev L 787 specification shows 2018 performance standard
- Boeing to resume 787 deliveries by early May
- Boeing to complete battery modification on ‘bulk’ of fleet by mid-May
- Boeing already started battery fix on 10 fleet & 9 production airplanes
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Old April 27th, 2013, 05:48 AM   #1890
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Old April 27th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #1891
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Ethiopian Airlines fly its B787 Dreamliner to Nairobi ,Kenya to be the first airline to fly the Dreamliner commercial flight after the grounding



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Boeing 787 Dreamliner returns to service in Ethiopia flight
Passengers embark on the flight to Nairobi This is the first Dreamliner passenger flight since January



An Ethiopian Airlines 787 Dreamliner has flown from Addis Ababa to Nairobi, the first commercial flight by the Boeing aircraft since all 787s were grounded in January.

The 50 planes around the world were grounded due to battery malfunctions that saw one 787 catch fire in the US.

Over the past week teams of Boeing engineers have been fitting new batteries to the aircraft.

This was after aviation authorities approved the revamped battery design.

The Ethiopian Airlines plane took off at 09:45 local time (07:45 GMT) and landed in Nairobi, Kenya, some two hours later.
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Each 787 has two of the lithium-ion batteries which caused problems.

In addition to new versions of the batteries which run at a much cooler temperature, the batteries are now enclosed in stainless steel boxes.

These boxes have a ventilation pipe that goes directly to the outside of the plane. Boeing says this means than in the unlikely event of any future fire or smoke, it would not affect the rest of the aircraft.
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The two-hour flight from Addis Ababa in Ethiopia to Nairobi in Kenya is not normally a flight that would make headline news around the world.

But this journey is special, because it should mark the end of an incredibly damaging chapter for Boeing's flagship airliner.

I'll be talking to passengers on board the flight, and it'll be fascinating to see how they feel about flying on a plane that was grounded across the globe only last January after one battery caught fire and another overheated, forcing an emergency landing.

Boeing and its customers, who include British Airways, Virgin and Thomson, will be desperate to put the whole episode behind them.

Boeing said it put 200,000 engineer hours into fixing the problem, with staff working round the clock.

On Thursday, the US Federal Aviation Administration issued a formal "air worthiness" directive allowing revamped 787s to fly.

Japanese airlines, which have been the biggest customers for the new-generation aircraft, are expected to begin test flights on Sunday.

A total of 300 Boeing engineers, pooled into 10 teams, have in the past week been fitting the new batteries and their containment systems around the world.

Boeing is expected to complete repairs on all 50 of the grounded Dreamliners by the middle of May.

In addition to the Dreamliners in service with airlines, Boeing has upgraded the 787s it has continued to make at its factory in Seattle since January.

The Dreamliner entered service in 2011. Half of the plane is made from lightweight composite materials, making it more fuel efficient than other planes of the same size.

The two lithium-ion batteries are not used when the 787 is in flight.

They are operational when the plane is on the ground and its engines are not turned on, and are used to power the aircraft's brakes and lights.



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That is very good news.
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ETHIOPIA?!?!?!?

Isn't that country too poor and poverty-stricken to even buy a new airplane?

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ETHIOPIA?!?!?!?

Isn't that country too poor and poverty-stricken to even buy a new airplane?

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Old April 27th, 2013, 10:21 PM   #1895
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ANA is a bit more conservative when it comes to the return to service then Ethiopian.

Apart from the modifications ANA will take 5 additional measures to ensure the safety of the plane and to regain the confidence of the customers.

http://www.noodls.com/view/0C2AF8000...4xxx1366974011
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(1) Proving Flights
Every 787 aircraft in ANA's fleet will undergo a proving flight upon completion of the battery improvement work. First Proving flight will fly on 28 April, departing and returning to Haneda to confirm that no battery related failures occur during flight.

(2) Confirmation of Battery Improvements
After the batteries have been in use for a specified period of time, a sample of batteries will be removed for inspection to verify that the battery improvements are effective.

(3) Battery Monitoring
Battery monitoring systems will also be installed on all 787's to monitor battery performance.

(4) Cockpit Crew Training
Cockpit crews assigned to the 787 aircraft are scheduled to undergo extensive hands-on flight training (approximately 230 flights) with actual aircraft and also to use 787 flight simulators before serving on scheduled commercial flights.

(5) Disclosure of Progress
To enable passengers to use the 787 aircraft with confidence, ANA has set up a dedicated website for providing information to the public about the progress of the aircraft's retrofitting and other safety and certification initiatives.
http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/japan/e/loc...boeing787info/

JAL has set up a similar website, they will also do tests flights before they put the 787 back into commercial service.

http://www.jal.com/en/flight/boeing787/

You can follow the progress of the modification of the JAL 787s, currently they are working on the JA822J and the JA825J.
http://www.jal.com/cms/en/corp_00229.html
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I would expect BA to configure at least some of their 787-9's with 4 classes.
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That'd be good. But I'm wondering if the First Class seats will be suites, and the Business Class seats will have lie-down bed seats, especially the length of the 787-9 could be shorter than the 77W.
I wouldn't be too sure: the 787s are expected to replace the markets with a similar capacity of the international 767s. And the internationally configured 767s do not have First, but only ClubWorld. Keep in mind BA will also be adding A350s to its future portfolio, which would probably feature First.
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Note, though: the range of the 787s is longer than the 767s (especially the 767-300ERs). I would believe that it can operate much longer routes than just Transatlantic journeys, and it might be used for journeys that might have fewer premium market passengers over time.
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ANA is a bit more conservative when it comes to the return to service then Ethiopian.

Apart from the modifications ANA will take 5 additional measures to ensure the safety of the plane and to regain the confidence of the customers.

http://www.noodls.com/view/0C2AF8000...4xxx1366974011



JAL has set up a similar website, they will also do tests flights before they put the 787 back into commercial service.

http://www.jal.com/en/flight/boeing787/

You can follow the progress of the modification of the JAL 787s, currently they are working on the JA822J and the JA825J.
http://www.jal.com/cms/en/corp_00229.html
Have all grounded B787's returned to home base to undergo the battery modification work OR is work being carried out at location?
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Note, though: the range of the 787s is longer than the 767s (especially the 767-300ERs). I would believe that it can operate much longer routes than just Transatlantic journeys, and it might be used for journeys that might have fewer premium market passengers over time.
For sure, the range of the 787s and its small capacity can allow for "long thin" routes. But for the most part, most carriers are not utilizing the range of the 787s, but rather for just more "thin" routes. ANA uses the 787s domestically, and of course this is solely for cost reasons. Even ANAs international routes to Frankfurt and San Jose, those distances can be served with existing aircraft in their portfolio. JAL similarly uses 787s for "thin" routes opening new destinations to Boston and Helsinki.
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For sure, the range of the 787s and its small capacity can allow for "long thin" routes. But for the most part, most carriers are not utilizing the range of the 787s, but rather for just more "thin" routes. ANA uses the 787s domestically, and of course this is solely for cost reasons. Even ANAs international routes to Frankfurt and San Jose, those distances can be served with existing aircraft in their portfolio. JAL similarly uses 787s for "thin" routes opening new destinations to Boston and Helsinki.
The interesting part is, the cabins on those aircraft feature the latest seats, on-demand IFE, and wider aisles, which are more appealing to premium customers. It's like, JAL operates its 787s between Tokyo and Singapore (2x daily), which is a high-premium route, yet it's flexible to operate as well between Tokyo and Boston, as well as San Diego and Moscow where there may be lower premium loads.
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