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Old February 16th, 2015, 11:37 PM   #41
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Some people also want to preserve the free, green area...
My opinion it's just an half heald scarrish wound that screams for it's buildings back.

More cities do it. Replace the direct after war 'nobody gives a crap' buildings, with the old street patterns and old architecture with modern facilities as elevators and stuff.
Everywhere it is an instant hit.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 03:44 AM   #42
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That looks a lot better than the straight avenue! It is amazing just how much space is wasted by modernist road networks.
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Old February 19th, 2015, 05:38 PM   #43
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view from cathedral

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Old February 19th, 2015, 06:14 PM   #44
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One of the main east-west axes in the city to be narrowed and turned into a zigzag course. This year, the Senate will start the development plan process for the conversion of whey market in Mitte, said the new Minister for Urban Development and Environment, Andreas Geisel (SPD), during his annual press conference on Monday. "We want to transform the street space to gain construction areas." This affects the stretch of road Grunerstraße / mill dam. For motorists who travel between Alexander and Potsdamer Platz, this will have serious consequences.

From the Molkenmarket, large crossroads behind the Red City Hall, will be two nodes. Where cars are allowed to drive on a wide swath traffic straight since GDR times, they must turn in the future. The relocation and reduction of lanes space for the planned "Klosterviertel" is obtained - for new buildings with apartments, offices and shops.


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In front of the red city hall I'd have preferred an open square...
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Old February 19th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #45
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But its the backside.
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Old February 20th, 2015, 04:12 PM   #46
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A square really wouldn't make sense at this location (the street will need to remain), while an intimate square within the block at the Stadthaus (lower right) is a great idea. Hope this will be done, no matter what architecture is chosen. The City Hall will get its very own charming square on the other side, in front of the Tower at Marienviertel.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 04:39 PM   #47
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Open Participation Process - join the discussion and be heard!

Until 18 May 2015, you can participate in the online discussion of the Senate!

http://stadtdebatte.berlin.de/


The site is in German, but comments in English are perfectly fine.

At this thread, the historical context and the urbanisation of the area is discussed (pro/contra reconstructions,
how to deal with the GDR fragments and the history of Berlin's historical core in general, etc.):
http://stadtdebatte.berlin.de/dialog...chte-des-ortes

Don't hesitate to join the discussion, it'll definitely get noticed by planners and the Berlin government!
I think it's all self-explanatory, but if you need some help, ping me.


Berlin's old town next to the "Imperial Forum" in 1930.

http://www.bilderbuch-berlin.net/Fot...und_dom_390202
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Old April 29th, 2015, 09:14 PM   #48
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What is the general opinion? Do the citizens want reconstructions or modern buildings?
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Old April 30th, 2015, 12:39 AM   #49
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dissented opinions... I would prefere a mix of both. Maybe 3-4 historical reconstructions and the rest more modern interpretations.

The most important thing for this area is in my opinion a bridging function between the historical Museum Iland and the modern Alexander Square with TV Tower and new planed highrises.
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Is the Nikolaikirche included in this area? I walked from the Cathedral to the Nikolaikirche, so I know where that would be. i am trying to understand how large the area is that is included in the development.
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Old May 10th, 2015, 08:19 PM   #51
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Its about this three blocks around the cityhall (Rotes Rathaus)...


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Old May 12th, 2015, 01:23 PM   #52
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Btw, the Nikolaikirche is the large church central at the bottom. Its surrounding area -the Nikolaiviertel- is a rather unique GDR composition, with some translocated reconstructions and "historicising" commieblocks. Some sort of socialist fantasy, but quite a cosy area.

Seen from Fernsehturm, the density creates a slight old town feeling next to the heart of Berlin:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ernsehturm.jpg
Socialist historicising "commieblocks" of Nikolaiviertel at the Spree:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...laiviertel.JPG

The view towards Nikolaikirche, pretty awkward (well, it's Berlin...):

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e,_464-570.jpg

Gerichtslaube:

Die 'neue' Gerichtslaube by tel33, auf Flickr

Great job with all the wrought-iron guild signs there:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...2998779%29.jpg

I like the intimate square at St. Nikolai best, well done GDR:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...lls_-_2826.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...kirchplatz.jpg


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...6-1266-120.jpg

Nikolaiviertel in 1885:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...n_ca._1885.jpg


I think current planners can learn a thing or two from this, for the new quarters at Molkenmarkt and the Marienviertel. They shouldn't do commieblocks and they definitely need to regain former street and building lot layouts; but I think they should also reconstruct some houses of Old Berlin. Classical Prussian oldtown houses were rather sober-chaste, but still charming and neat, this charme needs to come back in one way or another. It'll remind the metropolis of Berlin where it came from.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 10:10 AM   #53
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I hope, they someday give the imho cheap and ugly looking historicist houses a thorough makeover, to make them a little more authentic, and most of all, less béton brut looking...
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It'd be sufficient to plaster them (to hide the commieblock-typical face joints) and give them some proper lattice windows, for a starter.
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Old May 31st, 2015, 05:34 PM   #55
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Map of Old Berlin across City Palace - Hot'n'fresh!

A fresh map of Alt-Berlin/Berlin's old town, with the quarters of Heilig-Geist-Viertel, Marienviertel, Nikolaiviertel and Klosterviertel:



Full resolution: http://www.berliner-historische-mitt...A3%20gross.jpg

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Today - an empty sea of concrete and some greenery across the currently rebuilt City Palace:


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We all want those "bezirke" back!
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The GDR prefabricated building at Karliebnecht-Strasse gets a new ground-floor area.




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OMG. That's like putting a new pair of shoes on a homeless bum--without a shower, haircut, cleanup, or attention to the rest of his ragged clothes--and calling it a makeover.
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^I actually like that treatment. Maintains the old while making it far less revolting to pedestrians. All the tower needs is a powerwashing!
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