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Old February 17th, 2016, 10:46 AM   #521
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I'm not sure yet how i feel about the design. On those low-res renders it looks generally good and timeless, but not overwhelming. I think the cladding and the materials used will be decisive here. Also the cladding will probably allow an interesting LED show with those diagonal elements.

Also, the observatory looks very promising.

Anyway, this design will be a huge contrast to LWT nearby, as Lotte's tower has a very elegant and curvy design, while Hyundai's tower is a massive, boxy monolith.


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we didn't have those pics here yet:






soruce: http://blog.hyundai.co.kr/Group-Stor...qhdkscjfwj.blg
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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:24 AM   #522
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I'm not sure yet how i feel about the design. On those low-res renders it looks generally good and timeless, but not overwhelming. I think the cladding and the materials used will be decisive here. Also the cladding will probably allow an interesting LED show with those diagonal elements.

Also, the observatory looks very promising.

Anyway, this design will be a huge contrast to LWT nearby, as Lotte's tower has a very elegant and curvy design, while Hyundai's tower is a massive, boxy monolith.


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we didn't have those pics here yet:






soruce: http://blog.hyundai.co.kr/Group-Stor...qhdkscjfwj.blg
Yeah, to some extent, it reminds of the CTF and IFC in Guangzhou.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:30 AM   #523
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한국인들만 신난것 같네요 외국인 포러머들도 반응을 보여줘야 할텐데요..
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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:31 AM   #524
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52층에서 40층으로 호텔이 변경되었고,고층부 높이도 526m에서 553m로 변경되었습니다. 수정 부탁드립니다
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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:53 AM   #525
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Good design! And 526m is a good height
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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:59 AM   #526
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I got a detail design source which are not mention in korea news paper
I gonna explain about that vividly step by step
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Old February 17th, 2016, 12:00 PM   #527
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Good design! And 526m is a good height

no 526 but
553m
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52층에서 40층으로 호텔이 변경되었고,고층부 높이도 526m에서 553m로 변경되었습니다. 수정 부탁드립니다

good jobs bros!

right Hyundai tower 553m confirm
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Old February 17th, 2016, 12:07 PM   #529
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I'm not sure yet how i feel about the design. On those low-res renders it looks generally good and timeless, but not overwhelming. I think the cladding and the materials used will be decisive here. Also the cladding will probably allow an interesting LED show with those diagonal elements.

Also, the observatory looks very promising.

Anyway, this design will be a huge contrast to LWT nearby, as Lotte's tower has a very elegant and curvy design, while Hyundai's tower is a massive, boxy monolith.

of course not
LWT design by KPF(Kohn Pederson Fox)
HYUNDAI TOWER design by SOM(except lower part)

So they very different each other
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Old February 17th, 2016, 03:50 PM   #530
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awesome. megabox
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Old February 17th, 2016, 05:10 PM   #531
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Interesting about the design:
From far away it looks like the tower consists of 4 boxes (with those skewed x-style shapes) and a crown-area at the top.

But if you look closer its actually a continuous, flat glass facade from bottom to the top with occasional gaps in the outside "blades" that form the skewed x-shape:



This way they have a sophisticated looking building, which is in reality probably rather simple and conservative in its structural design and therefore quick to build.

I think they wanted to avoid extravagant and complex structures (like LWT) in order to maximize floors space and minimalize construction time.
Extravagant tower designs tend to have more massive cores and additional mega-columns, which take away a lot of usable floors space and increase construction time.

I think the tower will turn out really great when its finished!
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Old February 17th, 2016, 05:13 PM   #532
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Sorry to rain on the parade, but there's nothing much exciting about this design. It's timeless because it's generic, like the 4 legged chair. Why companies pay architectural firms a small fortune to come up with boxes is hard to fathom; maybe just having the SOM brand on your building is all-important.

That said, it's enormous size will be impressive by itself, and I look forward to see it rise.

I'd also add that the idea that this vicinity will be turned into an urban space to match central Shibuya or Times Square is risible. The area simply doesn't have the density to compare with those places. This and Trade Tower are separated by an intimidating 10 lane road, while the other places don't have roads as intimidatingly wide. Central Shibuya and Times Square are at major intersections of more than two roads, while this site will be built around just one major road. This is also unlikely to ever have a pedestrian count comparable to those places, which is what makes them so attractive to advertisers.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 05:31 PM   #533
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Why companies pay architectural firms a small fortune to come up with boxes is hard to fathom
The design doesn't end with just the cladding and the outside shape.

And most importantly: Architectural firms have to consider the client's whishes and needs and design accordingly. If Hyundai wants a box (to maximize floors space) then SOM has to deliver a box, and not a double-helix twin tower for example.


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http://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?sc=3...2016&no=129640
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Old February 17th, 2016, 06:19 PM   #534
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As with all buildings, I am more concerned about the cladding than I am about it being a monolithic box. A bland, blue box is definitely and obviously worse than a box with high quality glass material. That said, what humpty pointed out, the continuous and discontinuous metal(?) blades will add elegance to the building as sunlight reflects off them, making the building more interesting to look at. I'm expecting some lighting to go along with the metal blades. That would look terrific at night.
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Old February 17th, 2016, 06:24 PM   #535
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Inno, do you mind if you can update the height of this project (553m) at SSP?
Thanks!!
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i did that a few hours ago already.

even submitted a (very) basic drawing
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^ This is the thread I'm talking about.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=220561
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Nice design. The tower is simple but has nice details.

I think, it's "masculine" form fits perfectly to the more "feminine" Lotte World Tower. It's like they're are the king and the queen of Seoul's future skyline.
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^ This is the thread I'm talking about.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=220561
oh i thought you meant the diagrams and not the thread itself
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Old February 17th, 2016, 11:38 PM   #540
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I have to admit slight disappointment that it isn't something more instantly memorable, and to have the conversation boil down to "cladding is make-or-break", for yet another Korean project, particularly one which will be so prominent in Seoul's skyline, is a real let-down. But that seems more likely to be yet another indictment against the lack of vision amongst Hyundai's leadership than the architect, or even the design.

It will be an excellent contrast with LWT, and the blandness of the design would be a bigger problem if it'd be lost among a bunch of other supertalls, and I love a monolithic, megalithic structure such as this, but...once again, the general sense of relief that it isn't tasteless--and if the cladding "makes" this tower instead of "breaking" it, it will be a very long-lived design--is discolored by the disappointment in how unimaginative and unadventurous it makes Hyundai seem.

As a follower of the automotive world, I'd say that's probably the last thing Hyundai needs. That (along with the fact that Korean involvement in the design of the project seems to have been pretty minimal, and that there doesn't seem to be anything particularly Korean about the design, other than perhaps some Joseon-era, Neo-Confucian minimalism) is the real problem I have with this project.

Edit: After further inspection of the renders, my point is further borne out: not a single vehicle included in those renders is any type of Hyundai vehicle. How un-aspirational and non-inspirational must Hyundai's products be, and how ultimately unimportant must those products seem to the client (...which would be Hyundai) that the designer didn't see fit to include any of the company's vehicles in the renders? If the bread-and-butter of my business was automobiles, and I were building a new global HQ for that business, I'd think I'd want some of my vehicles included in the pictures.

I know it probably seems like a nitpicky, piddling detail, but again, my perspective is reaffirmed--Hyundai ultimately doesn't understand the way prestige works in the automotive industry, and/or if they do, they don't seem to care. Car people know this, and a massive building isn't going to do anything to enhance the company's appeal.
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