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Old July 7th, 2016, 02:49 AM   #41
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Let me guess...30 Park Place?
What's your obsession with this one? I once mentioned it as an alright tower, and that's what it is, nothing more. The groundbreaking ones for me are the likes of Steinway Tower, Flatbush, Tower Verre, Beekman Place. They yet have to come up with a fully convincing and groundbreaking tall and stone-clad Neo Art Deco tower, but I think we're getting there. Actually Steinway Tower and 340 Flatbush (9 DeKalb) probably will be the new beacons of Neo Art Deco for a while. Start differentiating pal.

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I don't think that concrete-sandstone and PVC windows are a befitting addition to the look and feel of the city, quite the opposite. The city shouldn't get too many of these...but it already did.
I agreed already the materials should be better, which is esp. true for Stern's projects. The close-up impression thus is somewhat flawed, but that doesn't change the fact that the composition, setbacked proportions and overall look of such towers fit the city very well.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 04:41 AM   #42
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Now, imagine a person going to New York willing to see its real historical landmarks and...suddenly...sees this (and not only this one, some of them are so huge that you cannot possibly miss them while looking the skyline). I wonder what that person would think? Will it be amazed by all these new "Deco" wannabes? I know that if I get to see New York one of the first things on my list will be the genuine and land-marked General Electric Building. Certainly not the buildings with concrete-sandstone.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or being serious.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 02:27 PM   #43
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What's your obsession with this one?
It must be its cladding, you know, or maybe the fact that it is right next to Woolworth building.
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I'm not sure if you're trolling or being serious.
Now what a nice contribution to the overall discussion, just attack the one you disagree with (without real arguments). If someone disagrees with your opinion, or your definition for high-quality, then he must be trolling? Right? I criticize the buildings that I believe could've been done much better. If that makes me the bad guy, or the one trolling, I'm okay with it. However, I'm out. Too many people seem to adore this sort of projects and very few have real arguments to convince me that this buildings respect NYC and its genuine architecture.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 03:27 PM   #44
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[QUOTE=erbse;133939060]What's your obsession with this one? I once mentioned it as an alright tower, and that's what it is, nothing more.



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When is this timeless beauty scheduled to be completed?
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...i guess a "timeless beauty"is a bit more than "an alright tower"...
But,of course,you are entitled to your opinion..
Imo,while looking nice,15 CPW siblings are depiscably targeting a lucrative market niche:ostentatious,uncultured and tasteless wealthy people who think that Rosario Candela is some nasty South American dictator and Stern's buildings the quintessential New york.
History will remember Stern for two things:his famous yellow socks and his Disney like architecture.
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It's an alright timeless beauty indeed.
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Old July 7th, 2016, 03:50 PM   #46
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It's an alright timeless beauty indeed.

Lol!..jesuitical??
...I can't figure out how somebody who seems to be fascinated (like me!)by beautifulllllllllll(!)Goerlitz(sadly,all of your pics are deleted)can be interested in "ersatz Architecture"....
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As I said, I see buildings like these as an intermediate step. Architects have to re-learn what made classical and early modern (like Art Deco, Expressionism, Streamline etc.) architecture so great. That takes time. So I'm eager to see any progress in this direction. If they master it again and it's established at most architecture institutes/universities, we can go further and be evolutionary, creative and experimenting about classical styles and shapes, just like a new Gaudi or H÷ger.
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More importantly, what's wrong with cold coffee? Iced coffee and cold brewed coffee are fundamental realities of southern California living.
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More importantly, what's wrong with cold coffee? Iced coffee and cold brewed coffee are fundamental realities of southern California living.

Lol!..Iced coffee has to be cold and espresso has to be hot!
Do not laugh but i always order both.
A blessed day is when(like today)i can get my breakfast at "Sweet Lady Jane",in Santa Monica!
Shamelessly off topic but i gave you the best adress in town for amazing coffee drinks and pastries!

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Any fresh pics of this wonderful project?
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Scaffold is down. Main entrance is pretty impressive:

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I know this is a boring opinion and I don't want to take away from how nice this is but I really wish this was symmetrical.
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Those close ups of the cladding are great.
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