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Old October 6th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #1
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Which city was the first?

I am noticing now that most world cities are making new (stylish) eye popping skyscrapers with often, weird and also very unique nice designs

My question is, which city was the first to set this trend? Shanghai, Dubai, Hong Kong??? which city? or was it a North American city?

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Old October 6th, 2014, 07:15 PM   #2
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Dubai and Moscow, the skyscrapers are definitely eyes popping but not sure if they are nice designs tho.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 07:28 PM   #3
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Dubai and Moscow, the skyscrapers are definitely eyes popping but not sure if they are nice designs tho.
Now even North American cities are following them
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Depends on what strange weird and whacky designs you're referring to.
However, you shouldn't be thinking about which cities started it but rather which architects did. When it comes to skyscrapers, just about everything has evolved from American ingenuity. The big names that come to mind are SOM, KPF, and Pelli Clarke Pelli. You can go further by investigating their influences and smaller projects done by other firms but i'm too lazy to go into that right now. There are plenty of other noteworthy architects from all over the world too, but for the most part the ones who started off in the US are the ones who designed the iconic buildings worldwide which have popularized the style.
As to which city was first, there isn't a concrete answer. The USA has a lot of older modernist and postmodernist skyscrapers but they aren't what you would think of if you thought of modern architecture today. The glassy constructions with nice designs are popping up everywhere. It's more spontaneous than anything, there isn't one set city where it originates.

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Depends on what strange weird and whacky designs you're referring to.
However, you shouldn't be thinking about which cities started it but rather which architects did. When it comes to skyscrapers, just about everything has evolved from American ingenuity. The big names that come to mind are SOM, KPF, and Pelli Clarke Pelli. You can go further by investigating their influences and smaller projects done by other firms but i'm too lazy to go into that right now. There are plenty of other noteworthy architects from all over the world too, but for the most part the ones who started off in the US are the ones who designed the iconic buildings worldwide which have popularized the style.
As to which city was first, there isn't a concrete answer. The USA has a lot of older modernist and postmodernist skyscrapers but they aren't what you would think of if you thought of modern architecture today. The glassy constructions with nice designs are popping up everywhere. It's more spontaneous than anything, there isn't one set city where it originates.
But if you went back a decade ago, it was very few cities that were experimenting with these sort of skyscrapers, places like Dubai for example. Now almost every major city on earth is constructing them
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Now even North American cities are following them
such as?
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such as?
Mississauga Ontario Canada.






There are few buildings in Toronto coming up which are also unique designs
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British Architects Norman Foster, and Richard Rogers (and co.) have been making a huge impact on the London and world scene for decades - Foster + Partners especially.
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British Architects Norman Foster, and Richard Rogers (and co.) have been making a huge impact on the London and world scene for decades - Foster + Partners especially.
Swiss re is very unique in London



what others?
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We live in a globalized world where we're constantly influenced by everyone else. Overall, design standards are getting better across the board. I don't think it's a matter of cities copying others (although a few might do that), but cities continually upping their game.

For me the most influential skyscraper architect of all time was a German who mostly plied his trade in the US and Canada: Mies van der Rohe.
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I heard numerous references to how European architects were transforming the archi-culture of NYC during the noughties, having done their grand
experiments in the Gulf and East Asia.

If you compare the older work of SOM, KPF, Pelli, Meier etc with the older work of Calatrava, Koolhaas, Himmelblau, Hadid, Holl, Libeskind, Fuksas,
MRDV, Nouvel, Vinoly, Herzog & De Meuron etc, even the more static styles of Fosters and Rogers, they were far more daring.

old European designs, early noughties:


www.stevenholl.com, www.archdaily.net

www.mvrdv.nl

http://faculty.georgetown.edu, http://inhabitat.com

www.sbp.de

http://inhabitat.com

http://desmena.com, www.architecturelist.com

http://ad009cdnb.archdaily.ne

www.evolo.us, www.contemporist.com

www.arqchile.cl


www.archicentral.com

www.chinahighlights.com



Z0rg, www.skyscrapercity.com


http://silvaaedes.com

Z0rg, www.skyscrapercity.com


Z0rg, www.skyscrapercity.com


http://detail-online.com



Old US designs, early noughties






www.skyscrapernews.com




SOM's new take left with it's old, right




...but not without it's daring proponents either, although a shame alot were stumped for fruition:






com.koenig, http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...120901&page=12





That isn't to say American firms weren't daring (one only needs to look at Gehry, Morphosis, United Architects or SOM's later works above),
but they didn't find so much work Stateside due to the uber corporate culture and costs, and had to tone the designs down. Meanwhile the
European architects that had built their same way up on the continent were unleashed on the anything-goes culture of rising, money-throwing Asia.


Case in point, the watered down, approved styles from the early noughties. Rehash the project today and the same architects would no doubt
put far more verve and daring into their designs imo:




In short European firms at the turn of the Millennium had made it to where they were from small independent collectives increasing in size with art house
projects and progressive liveability projects. They caught international attention with their daring envelope-pushing designs, and went on to
translate those in scale with limitless budgets in Asia. Alot of fantastic European designers (even competition winners) never made it, they just
weren't lucky enough to land the contracts or had their projects cancelled by the time of the downturn. But alot also did make it. -Meanwhile US firms
were far more established and corporate. Not that the design schools were any less avant garde Stateside, but the big firms gobbled up new talent
and watered them down with client briefs, and big business diktaat.

At some stage NYC began ordering in the 'starchitect' projects itself, albeit later than the rest - and the gates were opened for daring new designs
across the board, whether European, American or Asian sourced. However many of the medium sized projects started in Europe during the Nineties
and the bigger projects in Asia, with European talent. US architects were stumped on their own soil for decades. For example Gehry's amazing
design for the Disney Concert Hall was cancelled, but his later design for Bilbao was built to universal accolade. LA's Concert Hall was built post
haste, despite being the earlier design. Europe and Asia at the time was far more conducive to new designs and designers doing them.

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Many north Americans find that stuff European architects have designed in the Gulf States to be tacky and vulgar. To us it's showy in your face gaudiness in the same vein as 1980s Las Vegas.

North Americans have been at this for over a century so have developed a taste for refined classic designs in our big towers. Our penchant for gimmicky embellishment is long gone. One or 2 towers like London's 'Walkie Talkie' are fine, but more than that and it turns into a dog's breakfast.

As much as north American McMansions are frowned upon, so do we frown upon European McSkycrapers. Canary Wharf is more up our alley than what's being built elsewhere in central London. The Shard is nice though. And for heaven's sake, no ferris wheels. Those belong in amusement parks.
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^Also take note, the economic downturn also put in a new taste for toned-down anyhoo by the end of the decade. Work by Thomas Chipperfield or Foster paring his style down for example becoming popular with their use of 'classical modernity'. So all this talk about crazy design may be a short-lived fad (though I doubt it- it's taking off again in Asia with a whole load of firms based over there).


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the European 'starchitecture' from the late Nineties/ early noughties- these were firms that were making their names through medium sized public projects but with alot of status eg in new public housing, concert halls, opera houses, art galleries and state museums - and that would later propel them to the big projects in the Gulf, Korea and China:


www.daniellaondesign.com

http://cdnfiles.hdrcreme.com

www.idesignarch.com

www.articlesweb.org

www.cumbu.com



www.archithings.com


http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/slide...pfil02aw-14137



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www.topboxdesign.com

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Also don't forget the homegrown Asian architects of that period too who, like their European counterparts, found fresh ground with medium sized
projects to make a name in daring architecture, back in the day:

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www.asianartnewspaper.com

http://wordlesstech.com



www.gardenvisit.com

www.chopsticksny.com


www.arup.com, www.myhero.ws

http://dianepernet.typepad.com

http://ad009cdnb.archdaily.net, www.masterplanningthefuture.org






www.yuletyde.com, www.inhabitat.com


www.jamesewingphotography.com

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Which city is it in the last foto?
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Are you seriously, null? It's Shanghai's Mercedes-Benz Arena.
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Spliff fairy, what area is the last photo taken, i take it is in Beijing? Love the UFO design lookout point!
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I think Shanghai was the first to innovate with these new designs on a mass scale, followed by Dubai. Dont you agree?
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