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Old October 13th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #1
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NEW YORK | 123 West 57th Street | 232m | 761ft | 59 fl | Pro

I quite like this building, but it's likely to be replaced by the G-Man.

http://m.wsj.com/articles/extell-in-...16005?mobile=y

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/10/...-baptist-site/

I'm fairly sure that the building behind it, 145 W 58th, is a market-rate rental. Thus, if Extell acquires it too, we could have another supertall.

FX Fowle usually does very nice work.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 11:47 PM   #2
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I don't know how I feel about this. The Calvary Baptist Church is stunning. I wish Gary could just demolish The Salisbury Hotel and erect a very thin supertall in its place instead of demolishing the CBC.

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Old October 13th, 2014, 11:58 PM   #3
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From what I understand, can't Gary build the tower opposite or next door to the church?

Or perhaps build the supertall on the 145 W 58th site?

I'm all for supertalls, don't get me wrong, but that church looks beautiful! I've never seen a church quite like that either, probably one of its kind
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Old October 13th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #4
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yea I agree with fxfowle. So you think supertall?

I like that.

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It is a nice building and they could always preserve it and build on top of it ala the Hearst Tower...but if Gary can gaurantee supertall, then I could obviously overlook it being gone.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #5
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Surprised the church isn't landmarked
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Old October 14th, 2014, 12:10 AM   #6
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Sad this one is being demolished. Even though I hate churches I like Gothic architecture. It would have looked good restored and converted.


And take those terrible AC units out. Air conditioners are cancer for a building's appearance.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 12:27 AM   #7
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Horrible news. Why can't they demolish and build over a shitty building for once? Roosevelt Hotel, Hotel Pennsylvania, Rizzoli, Calvary Baptist Church, etc.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #8
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To be fair, they do, all the time. You're just listing the few times they didn't.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 01:37 AM   #9
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it will be a shame to lose this one. If the site is redeveloped I will be disappointed by anything short of 1000' or something tall with a stunning design.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 03:17 AM   #10
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what a disgrace
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Old October 14th, 2014, 03:42 AM   #11
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Sad this one is being demolished. Even though I hate churches...
Out of curiosity, Why do you hate churches? If someone said that they hate Jewish temples, there would be hell to pay? I'm just curious.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 04:22 AM   #12
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That's a subject for a different thread. I like their architecture but not what is done inside. Same with other religious buildings.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 09:42 AM   #13
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Rizzoli found a new bookstore in another stunner on Broadway, the Hotel Pennsylvania isn't THAT remarkable anymore, I haven't yet seen any definitive plan regarding the Roosevelt Hotel(I hope it can be landmarked and preserved) and I would have a lot of difficulty losing this gorgeous a church, though. At least manitopiaa isn't among those with signs to save the Park Lane, lol but it does bother me when a truly classic building may be torn down when a good number of crapholes and eyesores would be much more enticing candidates to build over.

Definitely among those who would say if the Calgary Baptist Church can't be saved in some way the resulting tower better be not just nice but REAL good. Try for great, a masterpiece!
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Old October 14th, 2014, 12:50 PM   #14
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Sh**y liberal law. Someone tell NYC Landmarks Preservation Commission to preserve this before It's too late.
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New York, New York...

If this remains a global role model, screw history.
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Old October 14th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #16
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New York, New York...

If this remains a global role model, screw history.
On the bright side . . .

There are plenty of churches/neo-Gothic structures that are much nicer. We're not losing the ESB or Chrysler here.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 04:14 AM   #17
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A rally call to the Yimby's??

Will Gary Barnett Bring a Third Skyscraper Shadow to Central Park?
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The 90-story luxury tower One57, center, on West 57th Street in Midtown Manhattan casts a shadow over Central Park on Dec. 28, 2013

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It appears that prolific New York developer Gary Barnett is planning another supertall, skinny tower on 57th Street in Manhattan. The Wall Street Journal reports that Extell Development, Barnett’s firm, is in negotiations to purchase a site owned by Calvary Baptist Church on the same block as Extell’s 1,004-foot One57.

The talks are pretty far along, according to the Journal, and church documents reviewed by the newspaper indicate that Fox & Fowle Architects is collaborating with Extell on a design plan. The church, meanwhile, has hired a property broker and a law firm with a deep real-estate bench. Extell already owns a 15-story apartment building behind the site.

Barnett, whom I recently profiled in Bloomberg Businessweek, surely understands that he is taking a sizable risk with his latest pursuit. He says he had all the approvals necessary to build a second tower on 57th Street with a spire that could reach as high as 1,775 feet.

The area south of Central Park is zoned “as of right,” meaning there are no height limits. A third Extell tower at the site of the church could be even taller.

The news isn’t likely to be happily received by city officials and civil groups who are already unhappy about shadows that One57 and its fast-rising residential skyscraper neighbors cast into Central Park. The anti-Extell forces may not be able to do anything about the second Barnett edifice. The threat of a third Extell superstructure could galvanize Barnett’s opponents to push legislation through New York’s City Council either limiting building heights in the neighborhood or requiring a nettlesome public review process that could make it tougher for guys like him to construct future towers there.

Then again, Barnett may feel he has no choice. He has started a tower boom at the southern end of Central Park. If he doesn’t acquire the site, some other developer might.
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On the bright side . . .

There are plenty of churches/neo-Gothic structures that are much nicer. We're not losing the ESB or Chrysler here.
Yeah, because we can destroy Chartres cathedral... We still got Reims and Paris

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Old October 15th, 2014, 04:48 AM   #19
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I wouldn't be too alarmed by this, according to the church's website, it seems like the church will be incorporated in the design. I don't think we're anywhere close to knowing what will happen on this site anyway considering all the developments Extell is currently dealing with in the city.

Other than that I would agree, it would be a shame for them to destroy this beauty, and I'm nowhere close to being a Nimby.


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The Board of Deacons (Trustees) and architects FX Fowle have enlisted the expertise of several consulting firms in our ongoing study of the church and hotel facilities. Deacons and Elders together are processing infor- mation as it becomes available and will be making all pertinent findings available to the congregation.

• HVS Consulting & Valuation is preparing a repositioning analysis of the Salisbury Hotel. They are reviewing and analyzing the hotel relative to the cost of renovations to bring the hotel up to acceptable industry standards of a limited-service hotel.
• Hopkins Food Service Specialists is advising our architectural team at FX Fowle regarding space, layout
and equipment required for a full-service commercial-grade kitchen facility. The Deacons have invited our own Eileen Browne, Social Committee chair, Billy Boyd, chef and Jacob Aureus, inspector with the Health Department, to assist in processing of this information and formulating of plans.
• Melrose Consulting, Inc. is providing clarification of numerous building codes and requirements that are imposed by various state and city departments.

FX Fowle and Extell’s architectural team are working together to present a concept that will meet the Church’s current ministry needs, while allowing for future growth both in number of people and in ministry scope and methods.

Church leaders are also studying options for Calvary’s “interim plans” including temporary space for offices, NYSB classes, and all regular ministries of the Church. Members are asked to pray earnestly for God’s direc- tion in this significant moment of the life and ministry of Calvary Baptist Church.
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Old October 15th, 2014, 05:11 AM   #20
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If this remains a global role model, screw history.
Five just-above-average buildings demolished in a city full of old landmarked buildings and neighbourhoods. What a global catastrophe.
I understand your cause, classicists, but jeez, get out of your bubble already.
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