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Old May 4th, 2015, 02:15 AM   #61
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Another midtown project could reach the heavens, God willing
A church sale would provide critical mass for Extell's next 57th Street super-tower.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20150503/REAL_ESTATE/150509974/another-midtown-project-could-reach-the-heavens-god-willing



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Old May 4th, 2015, 03:52 AM   #62
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There also are office sites on 5th and Madison that will yield supertall residential towers, especially when religious institutions like St Patricks can freely transfer their air rights. The Rolex building on 5th will be one of the first to go.

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Old May 4th, 2015, 04:09 AM   #63
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If that's the case I would worry the NIMBY anti shadow folk would out on the warpath demanding a stoppage... just because you can put something up, should it mean you have to go wall to wall with it? Three, four, five maybe... I think that would be great for the city, but a crowded cluster would be ostentatious excess. I really want to see towers which will be used as main residences, not writeoffs for oligarchs empty for parts of the year. Artistically, I love the towers going up... Nordstrom's is going to see a lot of traffic from non supermillionaires. But I'm not crazy about who a lot of those buying up condos will be... I don't expect them to live there much or most of the time but use it as a money/tax shelter.

Unlike the NIMBYs though I really do support the idea of building these towers...it's a mixed bag for me, but I don't believe we should be against wealthy investment in the city. I just don't support catering to the wealthy without regard for the best interests of the average or struggling New Yorker. It's a hard balancing act but count me as excited about the possibilities of Hudson Yards and other West Side development from Penn Station on.... or the new Midtown East redevelopment starting with the Vanderbilt corridor both which excites me overall even more than Billionaire's Row near Central Park.
I am tempted to have a YIMBY showing at one of these meetings (and you all better come if we do!!) but it is disconcerting because you literally have to just sit there for hours and listen to people complain about sh*t that is totally irrelevant!
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Old May 4th, 2015, 04:40 AM   #64
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I am tempted to have a YIMBY showing at one of these meetings (and you all better come if we do!!) but it is disconcerting because you literally have to just sit there for hours and listen to people complain about sh*t that is totally irrelevant!
At least you can raise the exaggeration of the shadow effect... only relevant at certain times and days of the year, and not nearly all day by any means. At least the public would be honestly informed and the scare tactics would be greatly deflated.
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Old May 4th, 2015, 06:59 PM   #65
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Jesus. If this goes supertall, this would officially become the craziest single skyscraper block in the world.

Looking at the shape of the two plots, and the similar size, is it totally nuts to wonder whether Gary might be planning a (mirrored) twin to One57? Call it "Two57" maybe?

I'm also having mixed feelings about the way 57th is turning into a "Superwall." The render I slapped together the other day really demonstrated how anywhere south of Billionaires Row (such as the Top of the Rock) is going to very rapidly lose sight of the park.
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Old May 4th, 2015, 09:44 PM   #66
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I'm also having mixed feelings about the way 57th is turning into a "Superwall." The render I slapped together the other day really demonstrated how anywhere south of Billionaires Row (such as the Top of the Rock) is going to very rapidly lose sight of the park.
I see your point there.
There's only one answer to this, the rest of midtown needs to build taller. We need more 1 Vanderbilts, which is inevitable anyway.
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Old May 5th, 2015, 03:03 AM   #67
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I see your point there.
There's only one answer to this, the rest of midtown needs to build taller. We need more 1 Vanderbilts, which is inevitable anyway.
Isn't there a rumored taller building than 1 Vanderbilt that will be right next to it? I remember hearing about that a few months back.
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Isn't there a rumored taller building than 1 Vanderbilt that will be right next to it? I remember hearing about that a few months back.
It's Millstein's site. I think the address is 335 Madison. It will be a supertall, but we don't know if it will be shorter or taller than One Vanderbilt.
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Old May 5th, 2015, 04:12 AM   #69
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It's Millstein's site. I think the address is 335 Madison. It will be a supertall, but we don't know if it will be shorter or taller than One Vanderbilt.
That would be just beyond insane if it ended up taller...
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Old May 5th, 2015, 04:21 AM   #70
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I agree. The Hyatt Hotel site on 42nd and Lex will yield something very tall too.
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I agree. The Hyatt Hotel site on 42nd and Lex will yield something very tall too.
I hope not, the Chrysler Building deserves some breathing space.

I'm totally all for new supertalls, don't get me wrong but don't crowd one of the crown jewels of the skyline. I wouldn't want a supertall built directly next to the Empire State Building either.
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I hope not, the Chrysler Building deserves some breathing space.

I'm totally all for new supertalls, don't get me wrong but don't crowd one of the crown jewels of the skyline. I wouldn't want a supertall built directly next to the Empire State Building either.
I understand your concern but if they work well together I think it's okay.

Jin Mao tower was the crown jewel of Shanghai and now is neighbored by two taller buildings (one much, much taller). I don't think it really takes away from its greatness.
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Old May 19th, 2015, 07:07 PM   #73
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First Look: Plans for 123 West 57th Street, Calvary Baptist Church Redevelopment
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YIMBY’s sources confirm that the firm has emerged as the finalist in talks for the site, comprising the Calvary Baptist Church and the Salisbury Hotel, and we have also procured massing diagrams produced by another developer that was formerly in contention for the building.


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The current crop of supertalls at 111 and 217 West 57th Street aren’t yet above ground level, but Extell is already in talks for their next major development along New York’s newly-minted Billionaire’s Row, at 123 West 57th Street. YIMBY’s sources confirm that the firm has emerged as the finalist in talks for the site, comprising the Calvary Baptist Church and the Salisbury Hotel, and we have also procured massing diagrams produced by another developer that was formerly in contention for the building.

YIMBY’s source notes that Extell’s advantage comes from a small amount of unused air rights leftover from One57, perhaps indicating that Gary Barnett has planned another tower on the block for quite some time. While exact numbers are not known, the firm had several tens of thousands of square feet leftover, and on a site as limited as 123 West 57th Street, that can translate into significant additional revenue. Crain’s also reported that the firm owns additional adjacent lots earlier this month.

The same block was the first on 57th Street to host any sort of supertall, with One57 finally opening last year. 111 West 57th Street will soon become the tallest on the block, standing 1,421 feet to its roof, over 400 feet above One57. And one block to the west, 217 West 57th Street will be even taller, with a spire approaching the 1,800-foot mark.

Relatively limited air rights at 123 West 57th Street — even with Extell’s FAR leftovers — mean that any new tower is unlikely to achieve stratospheric heights. The massing diagrams obtained by YIMBY show a height of 59 floors and 761 feet, though it’s possible that re-configuring the envelope and allowing for additional air rights could boost the tower to the 1,000-foot level.

If Extell can amass over 300,000 square feet of air rights, the potential is there for something that alters the neighborhood skyline. 111 West 57th Street’s early plans could also be a good comparison, as that building initially started out at a size similar to the current massing diagrams, in plans created by CetraRuddy and revealed by YIMBY back in 2012.

The fate of the current building at 123 West 57th Street is unknown, but the plans obtained by YIMBY appear to call for its demolition, with a new church taking the place of the old in the base of the new tower, which would also feature a minor cantilever.

No architect has been publicly attached to the project as of yet, nor is any expected completion date available.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 05:38 AM   #74
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Just a friendly reminder, 111 w 57th started off at under 700' and it doubled in height.
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Old May 25th, 2015, 05:20 AM   #76
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Just a friendly reminder, 111 w 57th started off at under 700' and it doubled in height.
I agree, this will end up well over 300m easily. Don't bet against Barnett most especially here on prime West 57th street Billionaire's row to offer supreme high priced views.
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Sighhh. I know Calvary Church is not the most architecturally significant building in the world, but it does bum me out that it will likely meet the wrecking ball.

Extell should take a cue from JDS and incorporate the existing structure (or at least part of it) into the base of their new tower.
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Some news about the church at the end of this article.

Extell plans 18-story Midtown resi building

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Extell had also been in talks to buy an adjacent lot at 123-141 West 57th Street, the site of the Calvary Baptist Church and the Salisbury Hotel, Crain’s reported in May. That property has 241,000 square feet of available air rights. Extell’s filing suggests those discussions may have fallen through.
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^ The initial filing doesn't reflect the final height, i.e. it doesn't mean the actual tower will be 18 stories tall. Sometimes it's just used for getting the job started.
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