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Old September 24th, 2006, 03:07 AM   #181
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The nearest facade in the photo, i.e., the building with the first two floors open to the elements, once housed Harding's Restaurant from the 1930's through the 1960's.

In the 1960's, when I was a kid, Harding's was part of the Christmastime ritual for our family. Our parents would bring the six kids in our family down to Marshall Field's and then to dinner at Hardings.

The back room of Harding's was called "Pirate's Cove." They had a Treasure Chest up against one of the walls. The waiters wore pirate-style tri-corn hats.

When a child cleaned his/her plate, the waiter would give the child a fancy fake-parchment certificate to bring over to the Treasure Chest. The certificate enabled the child to grab a small wrapped present out of the Treasure Chest. The present was usually a small toy.

I support the Legacy project, but we should take note of the rich history that filled these low-rise buildings. Think of all the families that laughed inside where that gaping hole now stands. Life goes on!
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Old September 24th, 2006, 06:45 AM   #182
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Nice story! I have a lot of neat memories of lost stores and restaurants like that, too. My most cherished one is probably a memory of visting Salvage One with my parents when I was 8 or so. This was back when they were in a warehouse off Maxwell Street; I loved all the layers of history you could see there in the warehouse. The warehouse no longer exists in that form, and it's why I've taken every opportunity I have to document old industrial architecture.

So yeah, I miss all the quirky urban stuff that leaves when an area become trendy - the weird signage, the restaurants, painted-on-brick ads, warehouses, etc. I wish some local businesses would stay, though. It worked in Manhattan.

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Old November 23rd, 2006, 05:19 PM   #183
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It will be a shame if they gutted those old buildings and then don't build this tower. There is a similar problem here in Providence, but I don't like that tower but would love to see the Legacy come to fruition.
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Old November 23rd, 2006, 07:41 PM   #184
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Why wouldn't they build it? It's over 70% sold I believe.
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Old November 24th, 2006, 12:00 AM   #185
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Why wouldn't they build it? It's over 70% sold I believe.
i believe that he's just comparing it to what happened where he lives. i suppose that you never know what could happen.
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Old November 26th, 2006, 07:26 AM   #186
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All the facades have been braced and I would assume demo will be starting shortly.

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Old November 26th, 2006, 09:35 AM   #187
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I never got around to posting this picture on SSC. It's from November 2. Demo was well underway then.

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Old November 26th, 2006, 06:55 PM   #188
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That's what I get for not going around back to the alley
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Old November 27th, 2006, 04:36 PM   #189
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I dont know how i missed this building before,
but I really really like it, and am very happy they saved the facades of the buildings below,
what I wonder about is if Chicago is a tad hasty with this sort of thing?,
more so than Newyork?, facade saving and tall building above instead of something just being historical and untouchable,

Definitely nice nice project though

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Old November 28th, 2006, 12:15 AM   #190
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NYC seems to be doing the same thing with many buildings, including Hearst.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 01:08 PM   #191
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Yeah I was just comparing to a similar situation here in my city. I'm almost sure this one will happen.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 04:55 PM   #192
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what I wonder about is if Chicago is a tad hasty with this sort of thing?,
more so than Newyork?, facade saving and tall building above instead of something just being historical and untouchable
This is the Jewelers Row landmark district, which was supposed to be untouchable. Chicago's landmark ordinance says designated buildings cannot be demolished and new construction must be similar in height and massing to surrounding buildings. Until this project was approved, no one knew you could interpret that to mean wiping out all but the front 12 feet and putting an 800-foot building in a low-rise district.
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Old December 15th, 2006, 05:33 PM   #193
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Well, I think it's a fair trade off.

For all practical purposes the streetscape looks exactly the same to the passerby, perhaps even better than before. And we get a beautiful, glassy highrise to top it off.
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Old December 24th, 2006, 12:32 AM   #194
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Until this project was approved, no one knew you could interpret that to mean wiping out all but the front 12 feet and putting an 800-foot building in a low-rise district.
Umm. Yeah. I would hardly call this a low-rise district? Mid-Continental plaza is DIRECTLY across the street from the future site of the Legacy and stands at 582'. The Heritage is two blocks to the north at well over 600', CNA Plaza two blocks to the south is 601' tall, and there's 100 more towers in a four block radius.
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Old December 24th, 2006, 01:43 AM   #195
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Until this project was approved, no one knew you could interpret that to mean wiping out all but the front 12 feet and putting an 800-foot building in a low-rise district.
^ Seriously Mack, what's with you and height anyway? There's a city out there that's perfect for you--it's called Washington DC.

I lived there for 3 years. It's a great town, and no shadows. The buildings all look like they've had their heads chopped off, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps you would be happier over there, and I'm not joking.
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Old December 24th, 2006, 08:56 AM   #196
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It's not the height that bothers me, it's the location--and the process issue related to that.

Chicago has no shortage of appropriate places to put tall buildings. Putting one in the center of a designated landmark district sets a terrible precedent. How do you tell the guy who wants to build a 70-foot townhouse in Old Town that he can't when you've just allowed a 800-foot tower in the middle of Jewelers Row? Landmarks Illinois (formerly LPCI) is very worried that this precedent--violating the Landmarks Commission's own written guidelines--now endangers historic districts all over the city.
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Old December 24th, 2006, 09:12 AM   #197
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This is downtown we're talking about.

I don't understand people that move into downtown and then complain about it being downtown. What do you expect? I do not move to Schaumburg and comlplain about a lack of density or whatever and the trains.
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Old December 24th, 2006, 10:23 AM   #198
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It's not the height that bothers me, it's the location--and the process issue related to that.

Chicago has no shortage of appropriate places to put tall buildings. Putting one in the center of a designated landmark district sets a terrible precedent. How do you tell the guy who wants to build a 70-foot townhouse in Old Town that he can't when you've just allowed a 800-foot tower in the middle of Jewelers Row? Landmarks Illinois (formerly LPCI) is very worried that this precedent--violating the Landmarks Commission's own written guidelines--now endangers historic districts all over the city.

Welcome to Chicago!!!

I agree, we no shortage of appropriate places to put tall buildings, this being one of them along with 830 South Michigan and the old Auditorium Theatre parking garage and lot.

You can tell a guy no in Old Town because it isn't a highrise district. It's mainly single family,2 and 3 flats with a few bigger structures.

The South Loop is exactly that South Loop. It is a highrise district. All down Indiana, Michigan, Wabash and State; from Cermack to congress, highrises are going up left and right.

If the landmarks were so important, they would have been renovated years ago and restored, but that never happened. Now the opportunity has been presented to restored what is visible and most important, the facades. The side walls butted against neighboring buildings and the interiors were altered beyond belief. Nothing other than the facades were worthy of being saved. You can't even see the Heritage much from Wabash because it is setback, and the same will hold true for the Legacy. The will be visible from the west sidewalk, but so what!!!
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Old December 24th, 2006, 05:38 PM   #199
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"Old" does not always mean "Historic"
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Old December 24th, 2006, 07:45 PM   #200
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It's not the height that bothers me, it's the location--and the process issue related to that.
^ Actually, it is the height

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Chicago has no shortage of appropriate places to put tall buildings.
^ Yes it does. How much land area is devoted to lowrise structures, and compare that to the amount of land devoted to highrise structures.

Which of those two is larger? The former is probably thousands of times larger than the latter. So yes, there is a shortage. So stop messing around with what little land we have, please. Thanks.
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