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Old March 1st, 2007, 06:45 PM   #181
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Pretty much any other city in the world would love to have this. I agree with how spoiled us chi-towners can be.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 07:16 AM   #182
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^Haha, from the way many forumers talk on here they think its a piece of shit. Nice to know someone likes it. Just shows how spoiled we are here. i think its alright too.
If it's not 1,000 feet tall and wrapped in a pretty blue glass package, the project is automatically considered a bust by many Chicagoans on this board.

I work in New York City's Financial District in Lower Manhattan. We're surrounded by all kinds of 40- to 50-story buildings. A 50-story building is supposed to be a good thing, but everyone on these Chicago boards, they roll their eyes at such "modest" development plans. It's almost snobby (the less intelligent would probably take that as a compliment [no offense]).

Be careful what you wish for, Chicago. Sure, Manhattan's skyline is bigger and thicker and more powerful than Chicago's. But trust me when I say, it ain't Chicago. New York knows it, but you'll never hear it from us. We have "bigger and better" things to worry about, cuz that's the NY way.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 05:04 PM   #183
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If it's not 1,000 feet tall and wrapped in a pretty blue glass package, the project is automatically considered a bust by many Chicagoans on this board.
Huh? what are you talkin' about? Okay so that eliminates all but four buildings on this forum that 'we all like'. Being critical of designs we know do not live up to the potential the architecture firm is capable of producing, is not being snobby. The negativity towards this tower has nothing to do with the height, just the architecture firm that devoloped it and others like it. This is regressive architecture.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 05:10 PM   #184
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Dunno, I kinda like it, myself. I always think "at least it ain't a typical Chicago concrete box."
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 05:18 PM   #185
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I like it because it's neo classical looking. Kinda reminds me of the Empire State and the Chrysler building without the antennas.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 11:42 PM   #186
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yes, totally agree with you chicagogeorge
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 04:37 AM   #187
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If it's not 1,000 feet tall and wrapped in a pretty blue glass package, the project is automatically considered a bust by many Chicagoans on this board.

I work in New York City's Financial District in Lower Manhattan. We're surrounded by all kinds of 40- to 50-story buildings. A 50-story building is supposed to be a good thing, but everyone on these Chicago boards, they roll their eyes at such "modest" development plans. It's almost snobby (the less intelligent would probably take that as a compliment [no offense]).

Be careful what you wish for, Chicago. Sure, Manhattan's skyline is bigger and thicker and more powerful than Chicago's. But trust me when I say, it ain't Chicago. New York knows it, but you'll never hear it from us. We have "bigger and better" things to worry about, cuz that's the NY way.
For me, and I know there are some others that feel this way too, it is about having a balanced skyline. Almost every building near Elysian is either beige or an older style. To make things even worse, Park Tower is near Elysian and both buildings look very similar. While I do prefer newer styles to be erected and I do like glass better, I still enjoy a vintage tower like Elysian. Maybe after looking at this picture you can see why I am against Elysian at that particular location. This area is screaming for something new, fresh, and perhaps glassy.

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Old March 3rd, 2007, 05:51 PM   #188
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I completely agree. Compare the photo above with Lakeshore East or Streeterville or South Loop or even the west end of River North. Sure, there are bland concrete balcony-covered towers in both of those neighborhoods, but at least there's a few glass/steel/unique ones to break things up a bit.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 06:05 PM   #189
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RE: the above photo.
1. I think this will provide an excellent backdrop for future development as it spreads towards the west. Also, this POMO crap is over, right?
2. Keep in mind that many of the newer projects in this area are glassy, so eventually, this will become very dense, and I agree, the Elysian, as classy a building as it is, belongs somewhere else in the city, as not to add to this mess.
3. What is that black building just to the right of the Millennium Centre?
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 06:25 PM   #190
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I think the elysian would look great in the area where 340 on the park is...would really add a classical element to millenium park
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 06:42 PM   #191
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3. What is that black building just to the right of the Millennium Centre?
2 East Ontario, I believe. (condos)
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 06:43 PM   #192
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Chi649, your pic is right on target - evry time I ride the Brown Line into the Loop, I cringe as I pass by that stretch of beige concrete. Awful. Bland. Monotonous. Oppressive. TOO MANY MANSARDS.

I've never gotten the impression on this forum that people are complaining about lack of height on the Elysian, just that it is located in an area with too much of the same. Mind you, if anyone is going to do more pomo French provincial, might as well be LaGrange. Just not in Beigeland...
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 08:17 PM   #193
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3. What is that black building just to the right of the Millennium Centre?

2 East Ontario, I believe. (condos)
Actually, that's Windsor Place (formerly The Windsor at Ontario). 2 East Erie is located one block north and is obscured by Millennium in the above photo.
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Old March 4th, 2007, 01:21 AM   #194
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^I know I thought Windsor was located at 2 East Ontario though.
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Old March 4th, 2007, 01:36 AM   #195
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According to Emporis, it says its called Ontario Place.
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Old March 5th, 2007, 02:27 AM   #196
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For me, and I know there are some others that feel this way too, it is about having a balanced skyline. Almost every building near Elysian is either beige or an older style. To make things even worse, Park Tower is near Elysian and both buildings look very similar. While I do prefer newer styles to be erected and I do like glass better, I still enjoy a vintage tower like Elysian. Maybe after looking at this picture you can see why I am against Elysian at that particular location. This area is screaming for something new, fresh, and perhaps glassy.

If Carl Sandburg had seen this photo, we would be quoting his poem about "the City of Beige Shoulders."
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Old March 5th, 2007, 03:32 AM   #197
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[QUOTE=Chi649;11986725]For me, and I know there are some others that feel this way too, it is about having a balanced skyline. Almost every building near Elysian is either beige or an older style. To make things even worse, Park Tower is near Elysian and both buildings look very similar. While I do prefer newer styles to be erected and I do like glass better, I still enjoy a vintage tower like Elysian. Maybe after looking at this picture you can see why I am against Elysian at that particular location. This area is screaming for something new, fresh, and perhaps glassy.
There's plenty of room throughout that section for another generation of style; hopefully one that will contrapunct the beige and allowing both to sing.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #198
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You're absolutely right. My bad... I mis-read your post. I've never heard Ontario Place (which I incorrectly referred to as Windsor Place) referred to by address rather than name, so, I just read it as 2 East Erie, obviously . Sorry for the mix-up.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 08:59 PM   #199
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For me, and I know there are some others that feel this way too, it is about having a balanced skyline. Almost every building near Elysian is either beige or an older style. To make things even worse, Park Tower is near Elysian and both buildings look very similar. While I do prefer newer styles to be erected and I do like glass better, I still enjoy a vintage tower like Elysian. Maybe after looking at this picture you can see why I am against Elysian at that particular location. This area is screaming for something new, fresh, and perhaps glassy.
There's plenty of room throughout that section for another generation of style; hopefully one that will contrapunct the beige and allowing both to sing.
Luckily, it seems like there are at least a few glassy high-rises in the works for the River North/Gold Coast area - 680 North Rush, 353 North Clark, the Walton towers, etc....those and others will definitely be key in providing some newness and freshness into the architecture of the area.
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Gawd... haven't heard anything about 680 N. in a while!
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