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Old April 8th, 2010, 09:37 PM   #1741
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Court slams easyJet over UK terms for French staff

CRETEIL, France, April 9 (Reuters) - British budget airline easyJet was ordered to pay more than 1.5 million euros ($2.01 million) after a French court ruled it broke labour laws, setting a precedent for future disputes in the low-cost sector.

The case centred around 170 staff who worked at Orly airport in Paris between 2003 and 2006 and were hired under British contracts.

The prosecutor's office had said the company avoided paying millions of euros in French tax and charges by using more favourable British legislation.

The court ruled on Friday easyJet would have to pay 1.42 million euros to job authorities, a 150,000-euro fine and 40,000 euros to two unions.

The verdict is likely to encourage prosecutors who argued that the French labour code is applicable to air transport companies which run operations on French soil, whether they are legally based in France or not.

"It has never been our intention to break the law ... it was at the time a hole in legislation and since then we employ under French contracts," Francois Bacchetta, country manager easyJet France told reporters.

The court rejected a claim for a further 8.4 million euros to be paid to unemployment insurance as social security agreements were in place between France and the United Kingdom.

EasyJet has about 10 days to appeal the ruling, which covers the period of Jan. 2005 to Dec. 2006 before a law standardising the issue was introduced.

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The prosecutor has said low-cost airlines cannot get around French law by using foreign contracts to cut salary costs and charges even if they are not legal entities in France.

Rachid Brihi, a lawyer for UNAC, an airline association which represents easyJet competitor Air France among others and which is associated as a civil party to the case, said the verdict was the first of its type in a French court and he hoped it would lead to more penalties against airlines not respecting labour laws.

He said two French unions, including UNAC, have filed a complaint in southern France against Ryanair over a similar case related to the Irish carrier's base in Marseilles. ($1=.7477 Euro)
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Old April 12th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #1743
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"Ryanair is working with Boeing to develop a coin-operated door release system so it can charge customers to use the toilet."

Couldn't passengers just hold the door open for the next person to use the toilet? Or will a coin be required to *unlock* the door? If it's the latter I can't begin to imagine the horror stories.
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Or a couple of people can go in together and get their money's worth
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Old April 12th, 2010, 11:08 AM   #1745
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"Ryanair is working with Boeing to develop a coin-operated door release system so it can charge customers to use the toilet."
Frankly, this has long gotten ridiculous. Carrying luggage is every day more expensive. You even have to pay for a lousy drink on their planes. They will not leave you alone with the lottery tickets and stuff. Now the toilettes... and wasn't it the Ryanair chairman who proposed to have people fly standing to save space (luckily someone informed that idiot EASA would never accept that)?
Do they not fear customers will grow nauseated by their cheapskate gimmickry? (of course not, they've made their polls and statistics)! Well they are shameless, that's what they are.
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Frankly, this has long gotten ridiculous. Carrying luggage is every day more expensive. You even have to pay for a lousy drink on their planes. They will not leave you alone with the lottery tickets and stuff. Now the toilettes... and wasn't it the Ryanair chairman who proposed to have people fly standing to save space (luckily someone informed that idiot EASA would never accept that)?
Do they not fear customers will grow nauseated by their cheapskate gimmickry? (of course not, they've made their polls and statistics)! Well they are shameless, that's what they are.
That's the price to pay for rock-bottom fares.
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That's the price to pay for rock-bottom fares.
They're not that "rock-bottom" anymore if you count in all I've mentioned above. At least if you need to take one or more pieces of luggage to your destination as normally happens (Ryan brazenly claims 70 percent of travellers only has hand luggage!!). There are cheaper airlines around. True, they don't have as wide an offer. They are more serious tho'. People could start thinking (and rightly so) that if Ryan managers are this cheapskate they could as well be applying the same mindset to aircraft maintenance.
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Old April 12th, 2010, 05:45 PM   #1748
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They're not that "rock-bottom" anymore if you count in all I've mentioned above. At least if you need to take one or more pieces of luggage to your destination as normally happens (Ryan brazenly claims 70 percent of travellers only has hand luggage!!). There are cheaper airlines around. True, they don't have as wide an offer. They are more serious tho'. People could start thinking (and rightly so) that if Ryan managers are this cheapskate they could as well be applying the same mindset to aircraft maintenance.
You get what you pay for. If you're going with cabin baggage only and would not want any other services, you pay the basic rock-bottom fare, just like someone would pay more to fly a traditional legacy carrier with all the services included. It's a matter of whether you want truly no-frills or full service.

I don't understand why people expect full service at a no-frills fare. The moment you pay a few pounds for a flight, you know things will be basic. You get what you pay for.

Given these are short flights, I don't see a problem with holding it in for an hour until landing.
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Old April 12th, 2010, 08:25 PM   #1749
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You get what you pay for. If you're going with cabin baggage only and would not want any other services, you pay the basic rock-bottom fare, just like someone would pay more to fly a traditional legacy carrier with all the services included. It's a matter of whether you want truly no-frills or full service.

I don't understand why people expect full service at a no-frills fare. The moment you pay a few pounds for a flight, you know things will be basic. You get what you pay for.

Given these are short flights, I don't see a problem with holding it in for an hour until landing.
But where does the unbundling end?

"Ladies and gentlemen, due to the rapid decompression in the cabin, oxygen masks will be deployed. Please swipe your credit card to the slot on your armrest in order to activate the flow of oxygen..."
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But where does the unbundling end?

"Ladies and gentlemen, due to the rapid decompression in the cabin, oxygen masks will be deployed. Please swipe your credit card to the slot on your armrest in order to activate the flow of oxygen..."
Well, the Americans are more extreme with this. I suspect anything non-essential or non-safety-related will get a dollar sign. The biggest revenue earners are likely food and baggage, and the others probably can make a little.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 02:56 AM   #1751
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You get what you pay for. If you're going with cabin baggage only and would not want any other services, you pay the basic rock-bottom fare, just like someone would pay more to fly a traditional legacy carrier with all the services included. It's a matter of whether you want truly no-frills or full service.

I don't understand why people expect full service at a no-frills fare. The moment you pay a few pounds for a flight, you know things will be basic. You get what you pay for.

Given these are short flights, I don't see a problem with holding it in for an hour until landing.
I see you're not getting it yet. This is not a matter of "frills", we are discussing if this kind of enterprise philosophy is compatible not only with respect for the customer (and his intelligence, like when you claim people almost never carry additional luggage), but even with safety. In any case, proposing something like having passengers fly standing implies a profound ignorance of the very basic rules of aviation.
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I see you're not getting it yet. This is not a matter of "frills", we are discussing if this kind of enterprise philosophy is compatible not only with respect for the customer (and his intelligence, like when you claim people almost never carry additional luggage), but even with safety. In any case, proposing something like having passengers fly standing implies a profound ignorance of the very basic rules of aviation.
I don't think the flying standing point ever got off the ground due to safety concerns. Don't think they're pushing ahead with that. Charging for baggage, toilets, and food do not compromise safety. Passengers might be annoyed, but ultimately people fly these airlines to save cost, and the fares certainly will please the passenger willing to forgo the extras. Don't see how catering to that market segment can be a bad thing.

In Europe, people make short hops for weekend trips and cabin baggage can oftentimes do. Why would they need to take a huge bag with them for 2-3 day weekend getaway? If they want to, pay more for a legacy carrier. You don't get things for free. Nobody in their right minds will offer legacy carrier services at a no-frills cost. They go out of business.
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The standing passengers and charging passengers to use the toilets are both publicity stunts. Ryanair have no serious intention of doing either. As usual the media and there ignorance will print anything and as a result Ryanair are getting allot of free advertising, worldwide.

Smart move from Ryanair. The media are ignorant fools.
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hehe, just had a marketing exam with ryanair and easyjet as a case study in it. Now I know how they do it! :P
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People do not use Ryanair and EasyJet because they want. They use them because they are cheap.

People expect service to be rude, and border on the offensive. But hey, it is cheap if you book flights at midnight on monday, carry habd baggage and take your own food and water.

Basically, you can expect that the security measures are the minimun to prevent the plane from crashing. I am doubful about that last one.
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The standing passengers and charging passengers to use the toilets are both publicity stunts. Ryanair have no serious intention of doing either. As usual the media and there ignorance will print anything and as a result Ryanair are getting allot of free advertising, worldwide.

Smart move from Ryanair. The media are ignorant fools.
The media are no ignorant fools, they either get paid by companies to publish fake news or anyway are bound by duty to publish what the CEO of an important company said. In this case I don't think this is good "advertising" for Ryanair, because the point is that even if they didn't "push forward" (they had no chance to), such an ignorant proposition came anyway from the mouth of Ryan CEO (not a second-tier manager) and this cannot but make people think.
To Hkskyline: now I understand you love Ryan very much, but it's not about "huge bags", because even for a "2-3 day weekend getaway" you are not likely to fit your stuff in a backpack that fits into the hand luggage standard, and my point is that people do actually, in their vast majority, carry additional luggage on Ryan flights. I've flown several times with Ryan recently and I've seen them recover said luggage. So the "70 percent" figure is a lie. And personally I don't like companies that lie - at least in such an overt way. Especially in this field.
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People do not use Ryanair and EasyJet because they want. They use them because they are cheap.

People expect service to be rude, and border on the offensive.
Crazy. Maybe that's you. I can assure you the vast majority doesn't tolerate a rude service in any context.
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The media are no ignorant fools, they either get paid by companies to publish fake news or anyway are bound by duty to publish what the CEO of an important company said. In this case I don't think this is good "advertising" for Ryanair, because the point is that even if they didn't "push forward" (they had no chance to), such an ignorant proposition came anyway from the mouth of Ryan CEO (not a second-tier manager) and this cannot but make people think.
The media should be researching what companies give them in the form of a "press release". If they did this, they would find its not possible, nor lawful for Ryanair to do either.

However journalists are now very lazy and will just print anything a company gives them. Ryanair know this and use it to their advantage.

You might not see it as good advertising but Ryanair do and its made them what they are today; one of Europe's biggest and most successful airlines.
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easyJet criticises Liverpool Airport security

Low-cost airline easyJet has criticised the security measures in place at Liverpool Airport, saying that it is causing severe delays.

Liverpool Airport released a statement in the Daily Post last week asking passengers to arrive at least two hours before their flight to allow enough time to pass through security.

easyJet spokesman Andrew McConnell said that the carrier wants the airport to take on more security personnel to improve the situation.

"Telling people to arrive earlier is not good enough. It is time the airport put its hand in its pocket and employed more security staff," he commented.

Mr McConnell claimed that "dozens" of people each day were missing their flights because of the current situation.

In contrast, Manchester Airport was praised for its customer service in the area.

Another UK facility, Newcastle Airport, took steps to reduce the time it takes through the facility with the creation of a new fast-track pass.

Once checked in, passengers can purchase the passes for £3 and join a separate queue at the security area.
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The standing passengers and charging passengers to use the toilets are both publicity stunts. Ryanair have no serious intention of doing either. As usual the media and there ignorance will print anything and as a result Ryanair are getting allot of free advertising, worldwide.

Smart move from Ryanair. The media are ignorant fools.
How is this smart? It just makes Ryanair look bad.
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Below is Boeings thoughts on Ryanair scrapping the toilets... it is unsafe.

I think the Ryanair idea to charge passengers for having seats may be made safe, provided the standing passengers can be securely harnessed together during takeoff, landing and turbulence.

I wonder how they will make sure the toilet users wont hold the door open for the next user, as theres always a queue or will someone stand there. Perhaps a passenger could get the door and charge users 20p, or will the flight attendents have to enforce the rules (since they do little else anyway)
and perhaps let the passengers who pay more to jump the toilet queue

When will Ryanair follow Spirit Airlines and charge for cabin baggage? I suppose they would consider charging for what people are carrying in their pockets too.


Boeing won't scrap toilets for seats on Ryanair planes
AP April 14, 2010 4:09AM 33 comments
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BUDGET airline Ryanair says aircraft manufacturer Boeing does not want to fulfil its request for planes with more seats and fewer toilets because it believes that would compromise passenger safety.

Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary said he still hoped to convince Boeing that removing two toilets and adding six seats would not slow down emergency evacuations.

A Boeing spokeswoman said the company did not discuss conversations with customers.

Keen to cut costs, the Irish airline says it also wants passengers to pay to use the toilets on its short flights within Europe.

Ryanair is planning to make its toilets coin-operated.

"By charging for the toilets we are hoping to change passenger behaviour so that they use the bathroom before or after the flight," Ryanair spokesman Stephen McNamara told the Daily Mail last week.

"That will enable us to remove two out of three of the toilets and make way for at least six extra seats."

The news came as the carrier came under fire for hiking fees for check-in baggage by 33 per cent to $33 a bag.
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