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Old May 3rd, 2009, 03:20 PM   #21
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It would also help if they cleaned up the bus stops/area a bit too. Does it still look like that today?
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Old May 3rd, 2009, 03:25 PM   #22
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It would be much better to put some real rail vehicles instead of those busses...
This is the line to Essen-Kray, there had been a tram on this stretch before "Spurbus" has been built.
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Old May 3rd, 2009, 03:27 PM   #23
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They do, but not in the tunnels anymore.
Awesome!
How many of this Spurbus-routes are there still in use? Are they only on the middlestrip of the highway?
I thought they were cancelled all in Essen.
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It would also help if they cleaned up the bus stops/area a bit too. Does it still look like that today?
I think so, many stations in Germany look like that.
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Awesome!
How many of this Spurbus-routes are there still in use? Are they only on the middlestrip of the highway?
I thought they were cancelled all in Essen.
Till 9.1.2009 they had three: Stadtwald, Haarzopf and Kray. Now Haarzopf is not in service anymore.
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Old May 3rd, 2009, 03:34 PM   #26
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This is the line to Essen-Kray, there had been a tram on this stretch before "Spurbus" has been built.
And they put this polluting thing ...
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And they put this polluting thing ...
On the Kray stretch they used duo-buses first, which used a catenary on the "Spurbus" sections, later they switched to diesel bus.

Edit: I have to correct myself, they wanted to use catenary, but they did not.
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Photos of the Haarzopf "Spurbus" stretch, which is now not in service anymore. It's a former tram stretch too and they used on this line diesel buses right from the beginning:










Stretch is closed:


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Pity it's not used any more. No passangers on the route?
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Pity it's not used any more. No passangers on the route?
They had to rebuild the other two stretches because the new buses are broader than the old ones. Now they are not sure if it makes sence to rebuild this stretch too, because there are not enough passengers on this line.
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Main reson why not using rails would be that with this bus system, you can run the buses on normal roads as well, only the main stretches have to be an O-Bahn. Therefore, it's way cheaper than building a tram from the scratch.
The system of Essen was a test system of Mercedes-Benz and the local transport operator.
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This is what Winnipeg is going to be building. It's a great system especially for cities that want to build a BRT system in colder climes and ones with snow as it keeps the vehicle from swaying.
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Old May 6th, 2009, 02:42 PM   #33
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Main reson why not using rails would be that with this bus system, you can run the buses on normal roads as well, only the main stretches have to be an O-Bahn. Therefore, it's way cheaper than building a tram from the scratch.
The system of Essen was a test system of Mercedes-Benz and the local transport operator.
Thats an argument, but it does not help the limited capacities in any way. Whats the advantage over a simple road on these central parts which are exclusively for these busses only?
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Old May 6th, 2009, 09:06 PM   #34
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Maybe its safely or you can go with higher speeds? I don't know exactly.

However, regarding the capacity issue: ever thought about the fact taht not every city might need the capacity of a light rail system? Especially, together with the fact above: Maybe, only one central section would justify a light rail line, but whats the point in it when you want to connect the whole city? Then you can still build an O-Bahn on the central section and run various lines on it increasing capacity. Still cheaper (and more comfortable) than a light rail on that section and the need to change transport everywhere when going to the suburbs...
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Maybe its safely or you can go with higher speeds? I don't know exactly.

However, regarding the capacity issue: ever thought about the fact taht not every city might need the capacity of a light rail system? Especially, together with the fact above: Maybe, only one central section would justify a light rail line, but whats the point in it when you want to connect the whole city? Then you can still build an O-Bahn on the central section and run various lines on it increasing capacity. Still cheaper (and more comfortable) than a light rail on that section and the need to change transport everywhere when going to the suburbs...
This is probably the most significant thing about BRT. It's flexible and cheap.
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The O-bahn in Adelaide must be the least mentioned mode of transport in the Australian forums. No one really seems to care about it.
Hey, L2 thinks the O-Bahn is cool, and isn't L2 cool?

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It's quite a strange system, I'd love to see it adapted for light rail as it passes right through some nice inner city areas.
What areas? It goes through a reserve of parkland, and other than the Klemzig Station doesn't provide a service to these areas. The whole point of building it as a busway was to provide single-seat journeys from Tea Tree Gully etc.

I think it would actually be quite a boring line if it was just another railway or tramway. But powering down the track at 100km/h in an old Merc bus is what makes it fun (and interesting).
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Maybe its safely or you can go with higher speeds? I don't know exactly.

However, regarding the capacity issue: ever thought about the fact taht not every city might need the capacity of a light rail system? Especially, together with the fact above: Maybe, only one central section would justify a light rail line, but whats the point in it when you want to connect the whole city? Then you can still build an O-Bahn on the central section and run various lines on it increasing capacity. Still cheaper (and more comfortable) than a light rail on that section and the need to change transport everywhere when going to the suburbs...
Well if a well planned city of lets say clearly above 100,000-200,000 inhabitants could not employ a light rail due to too low demand, one can safely assume its extremely car centred. Then in general it will have a hard time to create an attractive PT service.

Anyway, the point is that if the infrastructure is expensive you have to justify it with higher capacities. Those "O-Bahn" vehicles seem to need more expensive infrastructure than a simple right of way track bus line. In order to justify that I would assume it needs higher possible capacities or other very convincing advantages.

PS: Since when is a bus ride more comfortable than a light rail ride?
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For it's worth. Adelaide did cancel extensions of the O-bahn, due to costs.
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PS: Since when is a bus ride more comfortable than a light rail ride?
It all depends on infrastructure. And yes, the bus ride on good infrastructure in its own corridor is the same comfortable as a tram ride.

Believe me the ride in bad tracks isnt any better than a normal bus - even worse than a regular bus on a bad road.





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What I thought of when talking about comfort is that with a O-Bahn there's no need to change between different modes of transport (like e.g. when riding a bus from the home to a suburb center, change to light rail to the city centre, etc.)

Btw., Slartibartfas: About your argumentation of "well-planned cities": Normally, it's the other way round, traffic planners have to deal with what has developped over centuries.


To sum it up: the O-Bahn definitely seems to have its advantages, like light rail does have, too.
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