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Old July 29th, 2015, 02:03 AM   #81
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Yes, if you look at APTA statistics, American cities count all boarding while Canadian ones only count revenue boarding.

City of Calgary does not include those outlying areas you mentioned and the city alone now has 1.23 million. Calgary does sprawl and is known for doing so but the city has made great choices in terms of transit.

Does Adelaide have any inner city freeways? Also what kind of ridership does the O-Bahn get? Ottawa's Transitway carries about 240,000 a day and is currently being replaced with an LRT/Metro with total grade separation and a downtown tunnel.
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Old July 29th, 2015, 02:15 AM   #82
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I was looking at the wiki page and how those areas are highlighted in orange in that map.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Region

Edit - just noticed from the wiki page that it's referring to the Calgary CMA, so my bad!

But in any case the population of those areas are rather small and the difference with or without wouldn't be much. So if what I did is a valid comparison, Calgary would seem to be a little more dense than Adelaide but not by that much, and from street view they honestly look rather similar. Calgary does have more high rises in downtown though and should be growing faster than Adelaide. It does have seem to have a pretty good LRT system for its size as well.

Case in point is you shouldn't rely on official figures for an accurate measure of the city's actual density.

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Old July 29th, 2015, 02:40 AM   #83
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Does Adelaide have any inner city freeways? Also what kind of ridership does the O-Bahn get? Ottawa's Transitway carries about 240,000 a day and is currently being replaced with an LRT/Metro with total grade separation and a downtown tunnel.
Adelaide has no inner city freeways...it really doesn't need them. The city had b-i-g roads from day 1 which have been continually widened.

The O-Bahn attracts 31,000 riders a day (according to Wikipedia)

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Old July 29th, 2015, 04:05 AM   #84
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I have some doubts about that graph too. Isn't Sydney supposed to have the highest transport ridership in the country?
It used to but Melbourne has seen a big increase in the last 10-15 years
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I've never heard of that. In Sydney at least the inner city is heavily reliant on buses. During peak hours the CBD gets completely choked with buses to the point where traffic almost grinds to a complete standstill. Does that mean that everyone in inner Sydney are drug addicts?
I'm talking about buses in the outer suburbs
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I find it a bit intriguing though how low Melbourne's percentage is compared to Sydney's. Everyone who's been to both cities would probably agree that transport around inner Melbourne is at the very least as good as Sydney's and arguably even more user friendly because of the trams. Rail in both cities offer a fairly similar level of service from my experience, although Melbourne's is a bit more centralised
Not everyone works in the CBD though
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Old July 29th, 2015, 08:36 AM   #85
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Hey 31k a day for the O-Bahn is pretty good.
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Old July 29th, 2015, 12:08 PM   #86
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^ For what it is, which is a tidal flow drain from one part of the city to the CBD with a shopping centre at the end and basically nothing en route.
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Why did they build such a fancy (and bizarre) guideway rather than a normal busway, meaning a road dedicated to buses? Wouldn't that have been less expensive?
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Old July 29th, 2015, 08:20 PM   #88
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Why did they build such a fancy (and bizarre) guideway rather than a normal busway, meaning a road dedicated to buses? Wouldn't that have been less expensive?
The O-Bahn was built as a replacement to a dropped tram/LRT project along the same corridor.
My guess is that the German design was meant to convince the general public that they were getting something "new and innovative" but far cheaper the previous light rail design.
I believe there are now technical issues with buses that need to be fitted out with guide-wheels to use the corridor.
Personally I favour turning the 0-Bhan corridor into light rail, with an underground entrance into the city centre along a major CBD street that is dedicated to public transport.
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Old July 30th, 2015, 01:23 AM   #89
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Guided busways like the O-Bahn and Cambridge UK do have some marked advantages over a regular Ottawa-type Transitway.

Guided busways mean there is a physical track which means the buses can travel faster, safer. It also makes it easier to get level and exact boarding positions at station. Guided lines also require less space as the buses are tracked like rail as opposed to a regular busway which has to allow more width due to buses potentially swaying especially articulates. They also can offer a smoother ride not having to deal with potholes or grooves in the pavement. Apparently they are also more fuel efficient in part due to this. The bus maintains more momentum on track than one a regular paved road.

They have proven themselves to be somewhat safer than standard Transitways and some believe that are seen as more fixed rapid transit as opposed to a standard busway due to the physical tracks.
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To add to this, although certainly not applicable to Adelaide, guide bus tracks are far more reliable in snowy/icy conditions. Ottawa gets a lot of snow and in the winter the buses are often delayed, slow, and slide all over the place especially the articulates.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 09:00 AM   #92
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Record Adelaide Metro patronage as passengers flock to train network



29 Jul 2015

There’s been a big increase in the number of passengers taking public transport in Adelaide, with an extra three million trips recorded in the past financial year.

Almost 67 million passenger trips were recorded across our bus, train and tram networks in 2014/15 – the largest ever patronage figures in the network’s history.

Last year Adelaide Metro carried 3.4 million extra passengers - a 5.5 percent increase on the previous financial year.

This is above the expected population growth and represents the investment that South Australia has made in our public transport networks.

The largest increase was experienced on the train network in the first full year of patronage since the electrification of the Seaford line.

Commuters have returned to the Seaford line in droves with more than 4.45 million passengers choosing to catch Seaford services, an increase of 78 percent.

Last year’s increase on the Seaford line follows a 2.7 percent jump in the 2013/14 year when commuters returned to the newly electrified rail infrastructure and new electric trains were introduced.

Patronage for buses and trams ramped up significantly in previous years while train services were suspended for works and part of the increase in train patronage has come from many passengers making the shift back.

The Outer Harbor and Gawler lines have also shown steady improvements, recording 8 and 7.3 percent increases in patronage respectively.

On the Belair line the delivery of the Millswood Station and a revised timetable last October have helped deliver an extra 240,000 passenger trips.

The bus network has shown a steady improvement with a 1.5% increase in 2014/15 compared to the year before, now carrying more than 51 million commuters.

Tram patronage was steady with a slight drop in passenger numbers over the past financial year as commuters returned to upgraded train services on the Seaford line.

For the first time free trips have also been recorded through improvements in Adelaide Metro technology and monitoring, such as the introduction of Metrocard.

Previously we haven’t been able to record free trips but through these developments we have identified more than 8 million free trips to special events, free travel in the CBD and Glenelg, and Footy Express.

The 8 million free trips are not included in the total patronage figures of almost 67 million for 2014/15.

Key facts and figures

Adelaide Metro annual patronage
•2014/15 – 66,785,807
•2013/14 – 63,312,184
•2009/10 – 66,505,887 (previous high)
•Record-high patronage for 2014/15 financial year
•Patronage increased by 5.5% on previous financial year

Train patronage
•2014/15 – 13,115,666
•2013/14 – 10,388,830 (includes period of line closures on Seaford and Belair lines)
•2009/10 – 10,702,267 (previous high)
•78.77% increase on the Seaford line on previous financial year
•26.57% increase on Belair line
•8.01% increase on Outer Harbor line
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Old December 20th, 2015, 03:57 AM   #93
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The South Australian government has announced the extension of the Tonsley train line to Flinders Medical Centre/Flinders University.
This has been on my personal wish-list for Adelaide public transport for years,
but to me the renders indicate one train track only.....







https://twitter.com/alpsa/status/678365405044346880
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Will there at least be a passing track to allow for decent service ? How long is the extension?
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Great news for Adelaide.

Couple questions.............when you those ridership stats for Adelaide, what population does it serve? Are those stats for only Adelaide city or include the suburbs and if so roughly how many people does the transit serve?

For the trains, how often do they come? Are they like regular city trains every 5 minutes all day or more commuter?

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Will there at least be a passing track to allow for decent service ? How long is the extension?
Hi, the current Tonsley spur line is only a couple of kms long (about 2.6km I think) and they actually made it double track a little bit from the junction at Ascot Park to the first station of Mitchell Park. I don't have a problem with the new extension being single track if it allows 15 min train frequency. This extension is just a no brainer as it connects a large hospital and university to the city

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Great news for Adelaide.

Couple questions.............when you those ridership stats for Adelaide, what population does it serve? Are those stats for only Adelaide city or include the suburbs and if so roughly how many people does the transit serve?

For the trains, how often do they come? Are they like regular city trains every 5 minutes all day or more commuter?

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It serves a population of just under 1.3 million. Trains runs every 15 mins during the day on the Gawler and Seaford lines (2 busiest) and every half hour at night and weekends. The Grange, Outer Harbor and Belair lines run every half hour during the day and hourly at nights and weekends (a few extra services on Sat). Peak hour all lines run 5-15 min frequencies with combination of express services etc

At present only 1 line has been electrified (Seaford) as we have run out of money but hopefully we may rely on the federal govt funding to help electrify the northern line over next 5 years
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also, for football and big cricket games at the oval, all lines run every 15 mins.

We also have a silly set up that some station platforms on the northern (Gawler line) and Outer Harbor lines can only take up to 4-car trains, and for the Grange and Belair its max of 3 carriage trains.

Also up until 3 years ago the Tonsley spur was so run-down it only had a few peak hour services each day. Its a bit better now but still doesn't operate on weekends
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Old December 20th, 2015, 10:31 PM   #98
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Where in Adelaide do trains run every 5mins during peak?

Peak
15mins - Belair, Outer Habor, most stations on the Seaford line, some stations on the Gawler line
30mins - Tonsley, Grange and most stations on the Gawler Line

Weekday
15mins - Seaford line, a few stations on the Gawler line
30mins - everywhere else

Night
Hourly after 7pm - Belair, Gawler
Hourly after 8pm - Outer Habor, Grange, Seaford
None - Tonsley

Weekend
30mins - Outer Habor, Seaford, Gawler
Hourly - Belair, Grange
None - Tonsley
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Where in Adelaide do trains run every 5mins during peak?
No one in Adelaide is claiming trains run every 5 minutes at peak.....
Ssisguy2 merely asked a question about frequency
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When will all the newer trains be in service?
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