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Old April 8th, 2015, 06:14 PM   #21
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Looks great, it isn't a landmark but it still would be a very good contribution to the downtown skyline
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Old April 8th, 2015, 07:12 PM   #22
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too thin, but from the side it will look much better, since it is only thin in one direction
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Old April 8th, 2015, 07:19 PM   #23
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It does seem a little thin, but could be a nice complement to 4WTC.
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Old April 8th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #24
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Yet another supertall for NY. I've given up on trying to count them.
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Old April 8th, 2015, 11:28 PM   #25
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^Yup...that's hunsers job!
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Old April 9th, 2015, 12:31 AM   #26
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Well gentlemen so far we have ...

Completed, T/O: 7
U/C: 4
In prep: 7
Proposed: 17
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Total: 35

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PS: I'm not counting any visions or unsourced projects. There are some potential sites which could bring us to over 40 supertalls ...
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Old April 9th, 2015, 04:12 AM   #27
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Well gentlemen so far we have ...

Completed, T/O: 7
U/C: 4
In prep: 7
Proposed: 17
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Total: 35

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PS: I'm not counting any visions or unsourced projects. There are some potential sites which could bring us to over 40 supertalls ...
# of Supertalls in New York

January 1930: 0
January 1940: 2
January 1950: 2
January 1960: 2
January 1970: 2
January 1980: 4
January 1990: 4
January 2000: 4
January 2010: 4
January 2020: ???

Who knows about 2020 but 35 supertall proposals is quite the boom! From 2 supertalls in 2006 to possibly over 40 (if not more) by 2026!
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Seems like a nice idea
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Certainly not all of the proposals will be built. Some will see a height reduction, some just disappear. We will not see 40 supertalls completed in new York by 2026. Maybe up to 30 very optimistically, which still is quite epic. If the boom continues new york is a candidate for the city with the most supertalls, but that's still a long way.
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Certainly not all of the proposals will be built. Some will see a height reduction, some just disappear. We will not see 40 supertalls completed in new York by 2026. Maybe up to 30 very optimistically, which still is quite epic. If the boom continues new york is a candidate for the city with the most supertalls, but that's still a long way.
New York should hit 20 completed supertalls by 2020. After that, who knows ... it's just too far away to make any (serious) prognosis.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 03:08 PM   #31
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I think New York has the highest number of proposals per month, the highest number of towers starting preperation per month and the highest number of towers beginning construction per month at the moment, if this goes on New York could really be the city with most supertalls again in one or two decades.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 05:16 PM   #32
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Hehe. They think 125 Greenwich & 22 Thames are completely different projects.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 06:35 PM   #33
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They forgot 80 South Street... yep though they goofed on counting the Thames project when it was renamed for the Greenwich address, lol!
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Old April 9th, 2015, 06:41 PM   #34
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They forgot 80 South Street... yep though they goofed on counting the Thames project when it was renamed for the Greenwich address, lol!
Ha I know, also sadly Nordstrom will not be that tall.
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New York should hit 20 completed supertalls by 2020. After that, who knows ... it's just too far away to make any (serious) prognosis.
With the data of yourself, I find it an optimistic estimate. This would mean all of the prep buildings, get built with no delay and no height cuts. And additionally 2 proposed buildings have to go all the way from pro to prep into completion by only these 5 and a half years. With New York having a good ground for shallow foundations and the trend of building really thin towers, i could see it happening, but it might still be a close call and really everything has to go well for these years. Additionally 2WTC is a wildcard though, it could just continue and surely will finish by 2020 and add one to the list. So we will see, let us hope you are right. I think we will land somewhere between 15 and 20, 15 being a quite pessimistic outlook and 20 an optimistic one.

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Completed, T/O: 7
U/C: 4
In prep: 7
Proposed: 17
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For details and daily updates you know where to look.

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Old April 9th, 2015, 10:50 PM   #36
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I think realism tends to unintentionally slide into pessimism when discussing tall buildings in the USA. I think NYC will have at least 25 supertalls by 2030. By 2020 I think 15 is a realistic number, with a healthy mix of building uses.
My guesses would be

1. 1 wtc - office
2. 225 w 57th - resi
3. 111 w 57th - resi
4. ESB - office
5. BoA Tower - office
6. 3 WTC - office
7. Chrysler - office
8. NYTimes Building - office
9. 432 park - resi
10. One 57 - resi
11. 30 Hudson Yards - office
12. 35 Hudson Yards - mixed use
13. One Manhattan West - office
14. Tower Verre - resi
15. 125 Greenwich - resi
16. etc...
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I think realism tends to unintentionally slide into pessimism when discussing tall buildings in the USA.
The quota of proposed buildings and actually build ones is pretty low everywhere. Pretty much nothing of the Chongqing proposals was actually built to full height back when the crazy announcements came 2007. Seoul proposed many mega structures of which only one got built. Today we see New York and Shenzhen pulling out proposals over proposals. I try to be realistic and not believe that all of that stuff gets built, but even if only 10% actually does pay off, the future will be a great one . And what we see is, that a lot of the proposals in the last years actually did move forward, so this might be an amazing race upwards, where everyone is the winner.
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Hehe. They think 125 Greenwich & 22 Thames are completely different projects.
Is BuzzBuzzHome like a bad YIMBY? From what people have posted their articles are inaccurate and their graphs are misleading.
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The quota of proposed buildings and actually build ones is pretty low everywhere. Pretty much nothing of the Chongqing proposals was actually built to full height back when the crazy announcements came 2007. Seoul proposed many mega structures of which only one got built. Today we see New York and Shenzhen pulling out proposals over proposals. I try to be realistic and not believe that all of that stuff gets built, but even if only 10% actually does pay off, the future will be a great one . And what we see is, that a lot of the proposals in the last years actually did move forward, so this might be an amazing race upwards, where everyone is the winner.
In NYC the ratio of proposed buildings to built ones is higher because in NY they're proposed and built to make money rather than to show off. Since they're in it for profit and not just for ego there is a better chance/incentive to go ahead with the project.

I also think developers who propose buildings in NY also generally know what they are doing more so than the ones in other places.
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I think realism tends to unintentionally slide into pessimism when discussing tall buildings in the USA.
I totally agree, which is weird because we have it better than pretty much every country besides China when it comes to high buildings/amazing skylines.

I think other places are overly optimistic as well, some people have too much faith in pointless troll projects that will never see the light of day where as in the US we know not to get our hopes up too high.
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