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Old August 8th, 2015, 04:41 PM   #81
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There have been proposals to create a frontal symmetry. In my oppinion, that should only be done if they actually build the left side of the fassade fully identical to the pre-existing right side. The suggestion below looks cheap, in my opinion.
I really fail to see, what looks cheap in the above render. Also it looks way better, than what is now in it's place.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 12:40 PM   #82
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I really fail to see, what looks cheap in the above render. Also it looks way better, than what is now in it's place.
It´s just a personal taste thing. I think it looks disharmonious and as a bad mix.

I would like a frontal symmetry, but then also stylistically coherent, not just geometrically coherent.

Up until the 19th century, it was considered normal to improve on past building mass - without that being seen as causing loss of authenticity of the overall structure. Most palaces and castles would be far less impressive if there had never been "furthering projects" to them.

At some point around 1900, however, such projects got to be viewed as "hampering with history" and "inauthentic". Completely new projects build after the "Vollendungs-philosophy" were still respected (like the Neuschwanstein), but not modification of old ones.

Personally, I think "Vollendungs-projects" of historic buildings are OK, as long as you respect the authenticity of the pre-existing parts of the building and just focus on building additions or appendixes which contributes to improvements of the overall expression of the building or building complex.

In the case of the Leineschloss, I feel that a modernist addition bringing geometrical, but not stylistical symmetry is to reserved; too fearful of Vollendung; too fearful of making the old part of the building historically inauthentiuc. It´d go for Vollendung as in geometrical and stylistical frontal symmetry, the way they would have probably done it up until the 19th century.
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Old August 9th, 2015, 05:16 PM   #83
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STREET VIEWS

The nicest architecture in Hannover is not necessarily to find downtown, which suffered the severest war damages. These pictures are from the surrounding, residential Stadtteile.

Gartenalle in Linden, close to the Lichtenbergplatz.


Davenstedterstrasse in Linden.


Saxtrostrasse in Südstadt.


Prinzenstrasse in Mitte.


Bödekerstrasse in List.


Weissekreuzplatz in Oststadt.


Yorckstrasse mit the trinity church in Oststadt.


Ditto.
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Old August 12th, 2015, 02:02 PM   #84
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ANOTHER FEW CLASSICAL LANDMARK BUILDINGS

Another royal palace, built in the 19th century. Presently the head building of Hannover University.


Interior.


Main train station


Main train station.


The "Lister Turm".


Its back side.


The state museum (Landesmuseum).


Its interior.
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 07:11 PM   #85
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It´s been a riddle to me, how little interest for reconstruction (or even just historical renovation) is possible to muster in Hannover - compared to Dresden, Frankfurt, Potsdam and other german cities.

Walking through the often sad area of the once old-town, the thought hits me that the post war city planning has robbed the people of Hannover not only the belief that a re-construction is possible, but the sense that the once existing old-town is relevant to the city as they have come to know it.

That is too bad, because the sementation of the old town area as lost and the parting of the city center in two through a main trafic ader through what was once the city´s most charming streets is the DIAGNOSIS of Hannover.

Its the diagnosis of why other germans consider the city anonymous and a bore. It is the diagnosis of why people from Hannover feel powerless to ever do something about it.

The political will must be there, however, to freeze all developments along the Leine in the old town area - until a future generation gathers the will and clear sight to lay the main trafic ader "Leibnitzufer" in a tunnel system, freeing the area to much more substantial re-developed and reconstruction.

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Old October 23rd, 2016, 07:51 PM   #86
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Whenever I'm in some german city or I look it up in Google Earth I realize that centers of big cities consist usually modernist mediocre stuff compared to the residential areas more on the sides of the cities - those from Grunderzeit or even before..
I've seen a lot of reconstructions and beautiful revitalizations in Eastern Germany [e.g Gorlitz] but the topic in westernpart of Germany seems no to be much discussed about? That's a shame :/
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Old October 26th, 2016, 02:27 AM   #87
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I personally find Hannover quite interesting. True, its restored old town area is very small, but from the pictures that I've seen of it, it seems to be one of the most beautiful in Germany, at least during Christmas season. The rest of the central area is bland and will most likely not see any Frankfurt-style reconstructions, unfortunately...

I am curios if any locals know, how did Hannover's pre-WW2 old town compare to other old towns in the region, such as that of Celle?
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Old October 26th, 2016, 10:23 PM   #88
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To make the answer over-simple, but without implying your question was: Bigger city - bigger old-town. It is only about the level of war destruction, nothing else. I chose to re-post the following as a response to your question.

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The medieval, fortified city:


This is todays city center. The blue line marks, but just approximately, the perimeter of the medieval city boundry. The orange areas are the areas which presently can be felt to be an "old-town". Just a small portion of even the medieval city area.


Old-town of today I.


Old-town of today II.


This is a pre-war map. It lets me mark (green) what I think should be rebuild as of 1938, to heal the old-town. The blue perimeter again roughly marks the boundaries of the medieval, fortified city.


If all those areas got rebuild, the old-town would be bound together and expanded into a coherent, compact and bigger whole. Still just a portion of the medieval city, but at least a more considerable and coherent chunk of the present city center.


The old-town to be (again) I.


The old-town to be (again) II.


The old-town to be (again) III.


Sources to be completed.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 11:57 PM   #89
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Excellent review and summary. Thank you.

it is hard to imagine that anyone would think this relatively small project would not be the best direction for the city, given what everyone sees in Dresden, Berlin, Frankfurt.
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@ELH, thank you very much for your answer! Old Hannover was very charming, and I guess you can sort of tell that by looking at the restored facades of the buildings still standing in the old area nowadays. Especially the picture with the half-timbered buildings along the water canal, so gorgeous!

What is quite interesting is that in many cities, German or otherwise, the old, medieval areas were often quite dirty and downtrodden and generally avoided by the larger population by the 20th century. People only realized their cultural significance after losing these areas...
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Source: https://www.wirtschaftsfoerderung-hannover.de/
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Source: http://www.grandhotel.de/en/hannover/
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