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Old April 8th, 2005, 01:31 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by samsonyuen
I normally expect a parliament to look more stately and conservative you're right. However, the shoddy construction is already beginning to show: a few of the seats that were glued or tacked to the different elevations of floor were already broken off. At least the Welsh parliament will look nice.
...Well, I went about 2 weeks ago and no seats were broken off. Perhaps they were still fitting the seats when you visited...
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Old April 11th, 2005, 09:59 PM   #22
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By itself, I think the building is really great in how it tries to be challenging and different. I just don't know if it's appropriate to be a parlimentary building.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 02:06 AM   #23
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Yeah Meditt, Im realy excited about visiting the Parliament. The expectation has been building ever since my visit to Santa Caterina which blew me away and considering the parliament is so much richer, layered and considered as a design Im shivering with anticipation.

Here are a couple of piccies from the trip:

Some friends making fun of this rather childish H&D.M building

The serene Igualada cemetary with a friend on the right being quite affected by the space

View from the new botanical gardes on the Montjuic over Barcelona

and finally the wonderful Snta Caterina market from EMBT's site office across the road. Benedetta's flat is just there to the right of the market.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 01:49 PM   #24
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great.. thanks for the pics!
definitely H&dM's Forum building is far from being any masterwork... and it pretty saddens me because I truly admire most of their works, though in this case, not even the tectonics have any kind of relevance or interest, and the excessive abstraction of the building makes it too simple (no surprize, since I've heard they had to do this project in a hurry)... we'll have to wait and see if they do anything else in Barcelona in the near future..

your Santa Caterina collage looks very Mirallesque by the way, pretty cool... XD

your probably right that the Scottish Parliament is richer in terms of design, it has to be, I've seen lots of preliminary sketches of the building and how it evolved... the fact that one is a local market and the other a Parliament would justify such differences anyway... I read somewhere (and I have to agree) that the Scottish Parliament must be the best example of Democracy applied to an administrative building in Europe... there's no main axis, no central core, the parts dance around an imaginary gravity center, thus making all the parts equal in terms of importance, the parts together make the whole... just like in a democratic society everyone has a vote and everyone is a part of the whole.. no hierarchies, the Miralles complex functions as a network of different functions.

though I think one thing that share both projects are the complexity of the roof designs. Both are really impressive... just by looking at the wood beams and skylights of the Parliament and the foldings of the plywood-covered metallic-roof of the Market one can see there's the same designing-hand behind them (also, check out Miralles' University campus in Vigo (Galicia), lots of similar features, such as the concrete pre-fab elements, the structural complexity, or the wood louvres)...



but I think that the natural link between both roofs are the MSP hall (the glass leaves that flood with light the inner central space of the scottish complex) and the geometrical foldings (seen from above) of the market, covered with ceramic colorful tiles... both are plain A-W-E-S-O-M-E!

and I love! the Canongate Wall at the back of the building, with these old and antique scottish stones...:

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Old April 14th, 2005, 10:16 AM   #25
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god the building is confusing!!!
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Old April 15th, 2005, 11:12 PM   #26
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The Herald: Spain honours Miralles Holyrood vision

ENRIC Miralles has been posthumously honoured with Spain's greatest architectural prize for the controversial Scottish parliament building.
The architect and Benedetta Tagliabue, his wife and business partner, defeated a number of leading Spanish counterparts to take the Manuel de la Dehesa award.
Ms Tagliabue, who continues to run the Barcelona-based EMBT firm, last night said the honour justified their belief that the building had enhanced Edinburgh's architectural environment.
The accolade, known as the Premio de Arquitectura, is recognised as Spain's equivalent of the Royal Incorporation of British Architects' Stirling Prize. It is awarded every two years and comes with about £20,000 in prize money.
The jury at the VIII Architecture Biennal in Madrid chose Mr Miralles's design from about 200 candidates. The Holyrood project came at the top of the shortlist of 34 buildings designed by Spanish architects around the world.
The award will be seen by many as a vindication of the vision of the Catalan architect, depicted by many as an unpredictable figure at the heart of the Holyrood project. The £431m building was opened by the Queen last October – three years late and more than 10 times over initial estimates.
Speaking from San Sebastian last night, Ms Tagliabue said: "I am very, very happy with this because in Spain this is an award for the best building to be built by a Spanish architect anywhere over two years. There is an awful lot of fantastic buildings in this competition so it is a great honour because it shows that colleagues are aware of something that you have been doing outside of Spain.
"There were problems. We had to go to the inquiry, see the films and there is too much information about it all but I think everyone now is aware that the people working there are happy with it and that the building has a great place in the city."
The jury said the avant-garde design of the building represented "the new national political character of Scotland". They added that it was "integrated with the surrounding landscape" of the city's Old Town and nearby Arthur's Seat.
Mr Miralles, 45, whose company EMBT clinched the design contract for Holyrood in partnership with Edinburgh-based RMJM in July 1998, died two years later, before the building was completed.
Margo MacDonald, the independent MSP for Lothian and a long-time critic of the building project, said: "Nothing surprises me. I don't want to speak ill of him, but whether the judges were impressed or unimpressed by the sheer tragedy and heartache that permeated the whole Scottish parliament project, I have no way of knowing. I am happy for Benedetta. I would hope it gives her some some happiness and solace in her widowhood."
A spokesman for the SNP added: "Mr Miralles's legacy will hopefully be his architecture and not the underlying controversies."
However George Reid, the parliament's presiding officer, last night said: "To be awarded the Manuel de la Dehesa prize is a great honour for the architect and a major recognition of the Holyrood building."
The drawings and photographs used for the design are on show in Madrid at an exhibition open until June 12.
The parliament building last month won its first architectural award since being completed. The Edinburgh Architectural Association Centenary Medal was presented to EMBT and RMJM at the group's annual ball.
Hailed as one of the leading architects of the twentieth century, Mr Miralles specialised in public and open spaces. He focused on the relationship between landscape, architecture and social interaction.
Best-known for the Holyrood design and the controversy with which it was surrounded, his other famous works included the Igualda Memorial Park in Spain, the Heaven Pavilion at the Tateyama Museum in Japan and the unusual Utrecht City Hall in Holland.
He was also a Fullbright Visiting Scholar at Columbia University in the US and lectured throughout South America and Europe.
The Dehesa award was created by the Spanish ministry of housing, the Spanish Higher College of Architecture and two universities renowned for their architecture schools.
Mr Miralles is thought of as an ambassador for Catalonia, the passionately independent part of north-east Spain where he grew up.
Susanna Landrove, a Barcelona-based architect and expert on Mr Miralles, said that the architect has never been popular with clients as his buildings were always expensive.
She added: "He is one of the best-known architects to have come from this part of the world.
"Gaudi was very inspirational for him. But Miralles was the first person to look at Gaudi in a modern way, not just as an architect of his day."

A spokeswoman for the award was not available for comment last night.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/37379.html - (via Archinect.com)

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Old May 7th, 2005, 09:48 PM   #27
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i didn't like this building.... it's looking like a shopping center...
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Old May 15th, 2005, 10:54 PM   #28
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I think it looks fun-bloody-tastic!
What is the Welsh parliament going to look like?
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Old May 18th, 2005, 09:57 PM   #29
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i didn't like this building.... it's looking like a shopping center...
Err please point out a shopping centre that has that much attention to detail and made up of such quality materials

I dont know why people expect such unique, hand crafted works to come out on budget. The mechanism and ethos behind their construction is so different to the calculated, mass-produced works that are the staple diet of the construction industry. We should be celebrating such buildings and not moan about something that they can never be
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Old February 27th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #30
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It is a funky building and should be definetly turned into a nightclub, now that would be amazing, well worth every penny!
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Old February 27th, 2007, 06:15 PM   #31
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would love to DJ in it!
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Old February 27th, 2007, 06:31 PM   #32
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Old February 27th, 2007, 06:55 PM   #33
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that is just BAD.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #34
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The Houses of Parlaiment with a twist, gorgeous!
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Old February 28th, 2007, 11:06 AM   #35
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I went to go and see it a short while ago and i'll be honest in saying i really couldn't make my mind up. It really does have some amazing qualities and features, i sat in on a debate in the chamber which was an incredible space, but there are parts of it that also don't work very well. It is a little confusing and, I think for scotland at least, is a little short on light, perhaps he had in mind brighter spanish days. I think it will definately grow on people and i do think it generally looks fantastic in the landscape, fitting in rather well and clearly there is a lot of substance and thought behind the deisgn. Also nice to see some of his other projects above that look equally cool!


Somebody asked about the welsh assembly building. That is now finished too and is an amazing building by British stalwart Lord Rogers. It shares a similar use of wood and openess to hollyrood but it is less grand in scale (but also much cheaper!). You'll find pics on google and the RRP website but for now here's a taster:

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Old February 28th, 2007, 07:34 PM   #36
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I like this one more. It has less "unique" architectural features as Holyrood, which will make it more timeless, I reckon. Thanks for the pics.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 07:16 AM   #37
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Is this the one that wound up costing countless billions? I think it is too gimicky to have a long lasting appeal, especially for such an august purpose as a Parliament building. Perhaps it just.... tries a bit too hard to be novel.
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they totally ignored Scottlands rich history,
this thing, it does not reflect the wonderful things Scottland has done,
they should have built something of a more timeless style.
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they should have built something of a more timeless style.
Agree. I've been there and it's ok now, but I sincerely doubt that it will age well...
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by which I mean that it will be out of date within 25 years
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