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Old August 8th, 2009, 11:35 AM   #2081
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it's a shame. Looking at it, now I'd be happy if they tear it down and convert the space to a grass park.
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i think they should demolish it
It cannot be demolished. The CCTV and TVCC buildings' foundations are integrated. TVCC's weight is needed to press the foundation plate down on the north side, so that CCTV won't tip over on the south.
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Old August 8th, 2009, 01:25 PM   #2082
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Why don't they at least try to repair it..
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Old August 8th, 2009, 02:03 PM   #2083
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theyre gtting there, legal disputes and politicking Im thinking. When the Millennium Bridge in London started wobbling on its opening day in 2000 it was closed, and took a whole 2 years before they placed dampeners in.
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Old August 8th, 2009, 07:26 PM   #2084
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It cannot be demolished. The CCTV and TVCC buildings' foundations are integrated. TVCC's weight is needed to press the foundation plate down on the north side, so that CCTV won't tip over on the south.
I seriously doubt that!
The weight of each support will be straight into the ground. A raft foundation of that size is extremely unlikely to be the case. Even a small house would not have a raft foundation of this sort.
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Old August 8th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #2085
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Chinese sources indicate that it was the case.

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具体负责央视新址勘察的耿一然工程师介绍说,央视新楼的怪异形状导致了对地基压力的极端不平衡。“两座巨型塔楼和旁边的低矮建筑位于同一个地基之上,这就像把一辆坦克和一张书桌放在跷跷板的两边”

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主楼与北配楼共用一个地基,有地下通道相联,如果大火由此扑向纯玻璃幕墙结构的主楼,后果不堪设想。他们当即报告,并严防死守。

http://sxzx.360doc.com/content/09030...6_2713739.html

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Old August 22nd, 2009, 08:27 AM   #2086
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Much ado about CCTV tower's naked truth

2009-08-22

You are unlikely to have missed the new CCTV headquarters if you are a Beijing resident or have visited the city recently. But has the structure appeared to you as male and female genitals?

Well, that's what the building's Dutch architect Rem Koolhas seems to think, or at least his magazine-style book, Content, tries to portray, architecture scholar Xiao Mo says in an article posted on the Internet.

"The 3D animated model we see of the CCTV headquarters is actually a giant backside getting larger as you zoom in," writes Xiao, referring to two photographs (rather collages) in Content. The main building of the CCTV complex is in the background. A naked woman, kneeling in a pose to resemble the architecture, occupies the foreground in one of them, while another woman, in a bikini and holding a gun, stares at you from the other.

Despite the collages being six years old, Xiao's posting has made many netizens join him in terming the building a "disgrace".

But Ai Weiwei, leading architectural designer and curator who has a copy of Content on his bookshelf, said it was a ridiculous joke, created by people who do not understand architecture and a section of the media that has not bothered to find out the truth.

The book was compiled by a team that included Koolhaas, Ai told China Daily, which had designed many possible covers and listed them as part of the book's content.

Most of the possible covers are parodies on politics or sex. One of them presents former US president George W. Bush, in a hat made of finger chips as Rambo in First Blood.

"We talked a lot about his (Koolhaas') philosophy of design," Ai said, claiming to be a good friend of the Harvard professor. "I am sure simple imitation of genitals was not his inspiration." Genitals are a common design philosophy in architecture, so there is nothing wrong even if Koolhaas was inspired by them.

Noted commentator on architecture and art Fang Zhenning corroborated Ai, saying: "Koolhaas thinks architecture should be sexy, but his philosophy is not as simple and vulgar as some people accuse it of being," Fang said.

That the six-year-old collages can still create a controversy reflects the conflict between some conservative Chinese architects and their Western counterparts, who have designed important structures in China in recent years, such as the National Center for the Performing Arts and the National Stadium.

"Some of their design philosophy is too avant garde for many Chinese architects," Fang said.

Ole Scheeren, the German architect who designed the CCTV building along with Koolhaas, was not available for comment.

The CCTV headquarters has been in the news for some time now - for the more than 5 billion yuan ($735 million) it cost to build and more recently for the blaze that engulfed a smaller building in the complex early this year.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 07:27 PM   #2087
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Hilarious!
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:50 PM   #2088
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Wikipedia says the TVCC is being repaired. Does anyone have further information on this, maybe current photos of the site?
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Old October 29th, 2009, 10:37 AM   #2089
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I seriously doubt that!
The weight of each support will be straight into the ground. A raft foundation of that size is extremely unlikely to be the case. Even a small house would not have a raft foundation of this sort.
You're right! The foundation are not connected.

Plans to rebuild damaged CCTV building under way

2009-10-29

BEIJING: The chief architect for the new headquarters for China's state broadcaster said Wednesday that preparations are under way to begin reconstruction on part of the complex that burned in a massive fire triggered by illegal fireworks earlier this year.



Architect Ole Scheeren said in an interview with the Associated Press that the high-level investigation into the fire that damaged a China Central Television building is "almost near its conclusion" and plans are under way to begin rebuilding soon.

"The reconstruction has not yet officially begun," he said. "However preparations are underway for the start, but no specific date has yet been set."

Rows of scaffolding are now visible around the perimeter of the charred tower, though no workers have been spotted on the site.


In February, the 520-foot (159-meter), 44-story building, known as the Television Cultural Center, was engulfed in flames after an illegal fireworks display arranged and paid for by CCTV to mark the end of the Lunar New Year festivities. One fireman died fighting the blaze.
The building had housed the nearly completed luxury Mandarin Oriental Hotel, television studios, an exhibition space and a visitors' center. It's part of the same 5-billion-yuan ($735-million) complex that houses the iconic, futuristic-looking CCTV headquarters designed by Scheeren and famed partner Rem Koolhaas.

The stunning complex, which helped transform the capital's skyline for last year's Olympics, had served as a monument to CCTV's rising ambitions.

Scheeren said preliminary findings indicate that the main concrete structure of the fire-damaged building does not have to be torn down. The main CCTV building itself was not damaged, he said.

"The preliminary findings are that the building can be repaired," he said, "It's still intact and safe. There will mainly be a repair effort but not a complete rebuilding."

Scheeren said there is no truth to rumors that the two buildings were interconnected and served as a counterweight for each other.

"The two buildings are completely unrelated structurally. There's no connection between them. I think it's very important to dispel this kind of story that the two buildings are connected and one depends on the other. That's absolutely not true," he said.


Scheeren gave no further details on a timeline for the reconstruction. But he said his firm OMA is continuing work on the main CCTV headquarters and expects to be completed by next year.

"On the construction, the interior fit-out on the building, we're looking at completion of that sometime next year," he said.

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The article makes no mention of any new fire safety measures.....
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Old October 29th, 2009, 12:03 PM   #2090
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As bad as that fire was, it probably didn't reach the kind of temperatures that would damage the tower's structural integrity. Hopefully, it will be rebuilt with a dazzling glass skin to accompany the CCTV's incredible exterior.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #2091
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Chinese sources indicate that it was the case.
Your sources say that the main structure is connected to the sorrounding affliated buildings.

The TVCC is not an affliated structure to the CCTV HQ.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 07:43 AM   #2092
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Here's more. From Wall Street Journal.



OCTOBER 30, 2009
China Moves to Repair Fire-Damaged TV Building

BEIJING -- China plans to repair a tower gutted by fire eight months ago in the new headquarters compound of its national broadcaster, the project's architect said, shedding light on the fate of a building that has come to symbolize incompetence at one of China's most powerful government institutions.

The soot-blackened shell of the 44-story, boot-shaped Television Cultural Center building has remained largely untouched since February, when it was set ablaze by an illegal fireworks display arranged by an official from China Central Television for the Chinese Lunar New Year. The fire engulfed the building, which was meant to house a luxury hotel and conference center and which sits just next to the iconic, two-leg tower that is the centerpiece of the CCTV headquarters compound.

Ole Scheeren, an architect in the Office for Metropolitan Architecture who designed the CCTV compound with his partner Rem Koolhaas, said inspections show the high-rise's steel frame is safe. "The preliminary findings are that the building can be repaired," he told the Associated Press in an article published Thursday. "It's still intact and safe. There will mainly be a repair effort but not a complete rebuilding."
A spokesman for OMA confirmed Mr. Scheeren's remarks. Mr. Scheeren couldn't be reached to comment. CCTV didn't respond to requests for comment.

Mr. Scheeren's remarks are among the first public statements on the future of the damaged building, part of a $635 million CCTV complex in the heart of the capital's Central Business District that had drawn criticism and praise for its unusual design. The metal-covered Television Cultural Center and its glass-sheathed neighbor were part of a wave of landmarks built in Beijing before it hosted the Olympics in August 2008.

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China plans to repair the Beijing complex that housed the Chinese Central Television headquarters and a hotel, according to the project's architect. The building was gutted by a fire in February.

The February fire, which claimed the life of a firefighter, triggered public criticism of CCTV, the most important arm of the Chinese government's propaganda apparatus. CCTV quickly accepted responsibility for the blaze.

But the broadcaster remained silent on its plans for the building, while its damaged façade deteriorated from rain, wind and sun. Many residents of the capital have come to see it as a rebuke to CCTV's ambitious plans to modernize its image. The broadcaster has had to push back plans to move into the neighboring glass tower, though it was undamaged.

Mr. Scheeren attributed the delay in the project's resumption to a request by the Chinese State Council for a detailed investigation into the fire and its impact. He said the inquiry was nearly complete. "The reconstruction has not yet officially begun," Mr. Scheeren told the AP. "However, preparations are under way for the start, but no specific date has yet been set."


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Old October 30th, 2009, 07:53 AM   #2093
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Come on guys, how can you even think two towers are connected. We have watched from this very same forum pages how these buildings had been built. There were no connections or what so over.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 08:22 AM   #2094
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"China plans to repair the Beijing complex that housed the Chinese Central Television headquarters"

Thanks for proving how clueless Western media are about issues regarding China, WSJ...
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Old October 30th, 2009, 03:50 PM   #2095
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China plans to repair a tower gutted by fire eight months ago in the new headquarters compound
Now Staff stop being such a tool and taking quotes from captions, plus it is about one building in huge country what is there to get worked up about if they get it slightly wrong? There would also appear to be a hint of ignorance in your post too?
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Old October 30th, 2009, 04:09 PM   #2096
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"China plans to repair the Beijing complex that housed the Chinese Central Television headquarters"

Thanks for proving how clueless Western media are about issues regarding China, WSJ...
That's like if there was a fire at one of the buildings in Rockefeller Plaza and they said that they were going to repair the New York complex that housed NBC's headquarters. It's accurate.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 04:33 PM   #2097
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"China plans to repair the Beijing complex that housed the Chinese Central Television headquarters"

Thanks for proving how clueless Western media are about issues regarding China, WSJ...
I'm not too sure if its a Western media thing, but certainly, for skyscraper lovers like us and with the fire causing such media attention (I'm pretty sure a lot of media outlets would have realised that the building being burnt down was to be a hotel), evident errors like these are annoying and questions their credibility and does not reflect well on the newpaper company.

P.S these buildings may not be as significant as the Olympics buildings, but its just like saying that the opening cermony will be held in the water cube lol. Incorrect information needs to be condemned!!!
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Old October 30th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #2098
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Old October 31st, 2009, 12:44 AM   #2099
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Old October 31st, 2009, 12:58 AM   #2100
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Good to hear that the structure is still ok. However, it will be a hell of a job to replace the cladding and do the other repair works. Probably not much shorter than the actual building of the tower.
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