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Old December 21st, 2006, 07:45 PM   #261
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Couldn't be like that, seems the vertical columns are main weight bearing structure, without them the whole thing would be easily twisted IMHO.
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Old December 21st, 2006, 08:16 PM   #262
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Steel is lighter than concrete, thats why building can be tall by using steel, n thats why u cant use concrete to build tall building because the weight would be 2 heavy
Steel density = 7,8
Concrete density = 2,6.

Concrete can be used to build tall buildings, what are Burj Dubai and Petronas towers made with?

Steel is not lighter than concrete, it's stronger and you need less mass to achieve the same strengthneth as concrete.
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Old December 22nd, 2006, 03:46 AM   #263
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wait i think another reason why steel is used predominantly rather than concrete.. i just thought about it.. perhaps steel is faster to erect in the same amount of time as compared to concrete? cos they r beating the deadline of 2008...? concrete still has to cure. and they have to wait.. but with steel erection is faster...
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Old December 22nd, 2006, 05:28 AM   #264
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hehehe
here i am posting again.

I think another reason is because concrete is too "rigid" for Seismic zone?
And china is the main source for steel???

I'm not sure
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Old December 22nd, 2006, 11:55 AM   #265
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This is just going to go on and on isnt it...

Steel is heavy - but very strong so less material is used, steel is very good with compression (compactive) forces and tension (stretching). Steel frames are relatively simple to construct. Steel frames can be built quickly but the steel sections have to be procured (built) first - this can take many, many months (At least 6 months - probably much longer) . Steel frames traditionally are less able to resist wind forces and hence have to be braced with diagonal members and shear walls. However the diagrid method of the cctv tower is very rigid.

Concrete is light weight, concrete is good at resisting compressive forces but can not resist tensile (stretching) forces at all - for this reason concrete frames are usually reinforced with steel bars, the steel bars will resist the tension forces and prevent cracking in the concrete. Concrete frames naturally resist wind loads very well, concrete frames are more complicated to build - they require 'formwork' to be built - these are the shutters that the concrete is poured into so that it can archive its shape. Concrete can be made into any shape. Concrete frames do take longer to build - as they take time to set etc, however there is no procurement process so construction can start sooner.

In reality there is very little between the two methods - looking at skyscrapers you can not say most of them are concrete frame or most are steel. The empire state building is steel framed, the gherkin in london is steel, the Petronas twin towers are concrete etc etc.

One of the main factors is cost - this depends on the availability and location of the raw materials, china is has a large production of steel, hence it may be more cost beneficial for them to use steel.

Also with the CCTV building it has that enormous overhang, so the tendancy is for that overhang to 'turn' over - to counter this the two towers have to try and 'pull' down on their end of the roof beam. This means there are enormous tension forces in the two towers - hence a very large amount of steel would be required in the towers to resist these forces.

I hope that answers some of the questions.
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Old December 22nd, 2006, 01:01 PM   #266
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It clearly does, thanks
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Old December 22nd, 2006, 01:53 PM   #267
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Old December 29th, 2006, 07:18 PM   #268
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A delay post since the Sino-US undersea cables were broken by earthquake, photos taken on Dec. 27.





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Old December 29th, 2006, 08:09 PM   #269
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This is just going to go on and on isnt it...

Steel is heavy - but very strong so less material is used, steel is very good with compression (compactive) forces and tension (stretching)....
Thanks, that does make sense!
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Old December 29th, 2006, 08:31 PM   #270
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By golly, is this fast!
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Old December 29th, 2006, 09:09 PM   #271
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Very impressive progress, thanks for update.
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Old December 30th, 2006, 05:23 AM   #272
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Indeeed inpressive!
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Old December 30th, 2006, 11:01 AM   #273
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cant believe these things will be built.. amazing
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Old December 30th, 2006, 12:23 PM   #274
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IMO,this is the most interesting skyscraper procject at the time!!
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Old December 30th, 2006, 12:24 PM   #275
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awesome steel structure.
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Old December 30th, 2006, 05:15 PM   #276
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Swesome pics InfoAddict!

The cladding looks great already, great structure!
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Old December 30th, 2006, 09:45 PM   #277
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amazing structure indeed
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Old December 31st, 2006, 03:02 AM   #278
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Source: Xinhua News Agency

TVCC: top sealed on 29 Dec. 2006!
Height: 159m
Floor count: main building 30f, apron building 5f





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Old December 31st, 2006, 06:50 AM   #279
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WOW! This is so real! *slaps himself*
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Old December 31st, 2006, 01:36 PM   #280
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