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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:06 AM   #1901
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i am so sad,thank god, cctv still there, but tvcc is totally damaged, rebuild it as soon as possible please.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:09 AM   #1902
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This is THE biggest and most spectacular fire I've ever seen.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:12 AM   #1903
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One of the firefighters died in the hospital...

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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:19 AM   #1904
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If you look at the pictures and the videos closely, you will notice that in the first 10 minutes, it was the Outer Skin that was burning, the rooms were not in flames. After the flames completely burned the skin and got out of control, it started to burn the rooms. After the fire was completely put off, you can see that the skin was completely melted, leaving only the steel skeletons in place, while some of the room windows are still intact.

It can be suspected that the Out Skin was made of EIFS (Exterior Insulation Finishing Systems) or Stucco material which is highly flammable (if it is ignited, fire can spread at 3 feet per second). Modern buildings are usually made of Glass, Steel, and Concrete, and you cannot light these materials in fire with mere firecrackers or fireworks. The Taipei 101 Building shoots millions of fireworks from the building every new year's eve, and the building was never on fire because it was made of glass and steel.

On the other hand, the Monte Carlo casino in Las Vegas was caught on fire recently and the fire spread so quickly because it was made of stucco material.


So the real question is whether they are using the flammable materials on the outer skin which accelerated the spread of the fire. If that is the case, then they should ban the use of stucco material on skyscrapers (Las Vegas banned the use of it in recent years). A building made of glass, steel, and concrete do not catch fire from just firecrackers or fireworks regardless of whether sprinkler system was working.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:30 AM   #1905
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If you look at the pictures and the videos closely, you will notice that in the first 10 minutes, it was the Outer Skin that was burning, the rooms were not in flames. After the flames completely burned the skin and got out of control, it started to burn the rooms. After the fire was completely put off, you can see that the skin was completely melted, leaving only the steel skeletons in place, while some of the room windows are still intact.

It can be suspected that the Out Skin was made of EIFS (Exterior Insulation Finishing Systems) or Stucco material which is highly flammable (if it is ignited, fire can spread at 3 feet per second). Modern buildings are usually made of Glass, Steel, and Concrete, and you cannot light these materials in fire with mere firecrackers or fireworks. The Taipei 101 Building shoots millions of fireworks from the building every new year's eve, and the building was never on fire because it was made of glass and steel.

On the other hand, the Monte Carlo casino in Las Vegas was caught on fire recently and the fire spread so quickly because it was made of stucco material.


So the real question is whether they are using the flammable materials on the outer skin which accelerated the spread of the fire. If that is the case, then they should ban the use of stucco material on skyscrapers (Las Vegas banned the use of it in recent years). A building made of glass, steel, and concrete do not catch fire from just firecrackers or fireworks regardless of whether sprinkler system was working.

its not stuco its a tar membrain that is used around the world that was the fuel that burned so hot...

and the reson why vegas woulda banned the stucco finishing is cause they use foam inbehind the stuco for all the details... comon construction practice go look at any strip mall being built there days
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Old February 10th, 2009, 06:37 AM   #1906
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so sad, what a loss. hope they can tear it down and rebuild it with a better design.

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Old February 10th, 2009, 06:44 AM   #1907
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they might not have to tar the hole thing down more strip it bare and put the clading back on persay...
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Old February 10th, 2009, 06:47 AM   #1908
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Wow, it's totally ruined. It looks like a skyscraper in a post apocalyptic world. It looks like a bomb hit the place, we might not see something like this again in a long time. It sounds like the CCTV was a disaster waiting to happen though, better it burn down now then when it was actually in use. Hopefully this accident will force a review of building codes.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 06:56 AM   #1909
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^They better rebuilt with the right material. It is fortunate the flaw is found now. Imagine if this happens when the building pack with people inside? Heavy loss of life.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 07:05 AM   #1910
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Old February 10th, 2009, 07:26 AM   #1911
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Old February 10th, 2009, 07:27 AM   #1912
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I guess the Chinese habit of setting off firecrackers can now serve an extra purpose of making sure buildings are up to the fire code.

Since the fire started externally, perhaps the main structural supports were spared and the building can be saved.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 07:38 AM   #1913
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I guess probably will take 1.5 years of refurbishment; I don't think it's a total loss, as buildings u/c have fires all the time and still end up well (SWFC is the biggest example). Still, it is a big catastrophe, though this building wasn't my favorite in terms of architecture.
It depends. If there is some structural damage they would have to tear down the whole building, but if the mainframe is intact they would just reclad.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 07:47 AM   #1914
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the insurance company will cry,what a bad day.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:06 AM   #1915
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that looks like its gna collapse any second
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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:08 AM   #1916
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Oh i hadnt seen this one yet, looks quite decent.

Maybe they only need to redo the metal and glass. And some other damaged things.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:12 AM   #1917
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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:12 AM   #1918
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True, true, but no one will know until a thorough inspection is done. They'll need to check all the beams and columns for structural integrity.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:44 AM   #1919
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Old February 10th, 2009, 09:44 AM   #1920
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This picture isn't taken after fire



See this one at the same side

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