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Old February 2nd, 2015, 06:31 PM   #21
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Last but not least the two overground stations Nord and MDR. Nord seems to be developed enough in its intermodal access, but MDR makes me sad. Former butchery, now broadcasting station, wonderful infill station, but merely one bus line. In essence, Leipzig MDR is a bit like Malmö Hyllie, but with more stations between this and the innermost city. It definitely needs to get more busy than that!
Really? I thought that MDR railway station has no connection to MDR/ARD TV station
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 02:11 AM   #22
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I guess that Bavarian Station / Bayerischer Bahnhof is where it is mostly because there were already railway land there from the south, so ending the tunnel there gave the shortest useable tunnel length and thus the best value for money.
That's a no-brainer. The thing is that I'd rather seen Bayerischer Bf living more up to its name by, let's say, getting the extended platform length that the underground Hauptbahnhof station got in order to fit in ICEs. On the other hand, a remnant is allowed to be a remnant.

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The location of the old railway alignment/land and the location of the MDR skyscraper probably made the choice of where to place the MDR station rather easy. I think it's a really good thing that there is good public transportation to the regional public radio/television house. It's fast and easy for guests invited for interviews e.t.c.
I don't bitch about locations, I bitch about the fact that the promotion video for the city tunnel actually advertises Leipzig MDR as "providing access to the bus network of the LVB". Indeed it does by bus line 74, but I'd rather imagined that they'd use the Semmelweis Street bridge at Leipzig MDR to make it a focal point for LVB busses all over the city's south. Of course, I didn't know that much of Leipzig.

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The map shows even more information with it's colours. Magenta/lilac = bus line that access the central station. But what is the difference between pink and grey bus lines? Is it that pink = lines that run atleast everey 15 minutes on atleast a part of the line?
The magenta/lilac/violet/whatever lines are also noticably thicker, so I'd say that this indicates a more frequent headway that's somehow comparable to the trams. I don't see a connection at all to Central Station. Did you notice the circular line 77 in the north of Leipzig? That orbit exists on its own.

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Railway station are not necessarily network nodes that provide interchanges. Some are mere access points for the surround area. This is what said station simply are. And there is nothing wrong with it.
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Really? I thought that MDR railway station has no connection to MDR/ARD TV station
What else did you think MDR was supposed to mean?
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Old February 6th, 2015, 05:29 PM   #23
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Leipzig selects Solaris trams
06 Feb 2015


The Leipzig network operates a mixed fleet


Solaris has supplied trams to other German cities, including Jena

GERMANY: Leipzig transport authority LVB has selected Solaris to supply five trams with options for a further 36. The value of the base order is €7·7m.

Deliveries are scheduled to start in 2016 and run until 2020 if all options are called off. The 1 458 mm gauge vehicles are to be 45 m long and will exceed the tender specification for at least 70% low-floor vehicles.

The Polish manufacturer beat a bid from Bombardier to win its third tram export order, following contracts for Jena in 2011 and Braunschweig in 2012
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Old February 6th, 2015, 11:24 PM   #24
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Does anyone know the reason behind such a strange track gauge (1458 mm)? AFAIK, only Leipzig tram system adopts it.
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Old February 7th, 2015, 12:33 PM   #25
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Initially they wanted the system to be in standard gauge (1435 mm ) but messed up the conversion from feet to mm and so the first tracks were build with a 1438 mm gauge.
The tracks used were not very stable and moved apart and that after just a couple of years the gauge changed to about 1460mm.
The company operating the (back then horse-drawn) Trams decided it would be way too expensive to fix the tracks. Instead the company decided to adapt the rolling stock to this new gauge (1458 mm).
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Old November 27th, 2015, 02:07 PM   #26
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Minus 4.83 km tram tracks (double track) in Leipzig. from Connewitz Kreuz to Markkleeberg West, tram line 9. Tracks are being removed from December 2015.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 04:45 AM   #27
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Is this due to that passengers use the new S-Bahn tunnel instead of the tram?
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Old November 28th, 2015, 06:18 AM   #28
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Is this due to that passengers use the new S-Bahn tunnel instead of the tram?
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Old November 28th, 2015, 08:17 AM   #29
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That's definitely a case where the former East repeats the mistakes of the West and you'd think they'd know better. On the other hand, it has very much to do with political geography.

If Markkleeburg hadn't fought against incorporation into Leipzig, a renewal of the tracks would've been paid for from Leipzig coffers. But as it chose to remain an independent municipality, Markkleeburg has to pay its share for maintaining this connection, something that it didn't do. Therefore renewal didn't happen and the tracks' lifetime is nearing its end. The message is clear, if small town Markkleeburg doesn't want to pay for the tracks, it gets no banana. And in order to create effective facts on the ground, they built a new tram track loop in Klemmstraße near Connewitz Railway Station. Luckily for the goth kids turning up each May, the bridge over the railway tracks next to said railway station won't become obsolete as their main convention place is just right inside the borders of Leipzig.

D'oh, I was just there in May without a clue to see the new city tunnel as I was in Dresden anyway earlier that day, taking the tram to Connewitz to see how far gentrification may have come there (not really that bad) and when I was about to turn, one line 11 train after another was full of goth kids and I was more than happy to take the line 31 train that just happened to be there exactly for that purpose, turning just right there so that locals can take a ride in an empty train without sharing it with this invasion. The goth kids convene near a park that's somehow divided by the B2 road, the part in the west belongs to Markkleeburg with a restaurant that used to get served by the moribund line 9 and the part in the east belongs to Leipzig whereas Markkleeburg also extends to the that side of the road but further in the south.
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A big mistake. so sad, same has done Mulheim.
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Old November 28th, 2015, 05:46 PM   #31
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But it's mostly in Leipzigs interest that the people in Markkleebberg use public transportation instead of clogging up Leipzigs streets with more and more cars...

Also Mathildenstraße and Koburger Brücke is in Leipzig on this line. How is the standard of theese tracks thats within Leipzig?

One bad thing is that the tracks are in the middle of the road even on the long strecht throug a forrest where there are plenty of space to segregate the traffic better. Whoever gets the tax money from car ownership and car fuel should pay a part of the track renovation as atleast some of the wear is due to road trafic running over the tracks.

Salka: That must have been visitors to WGT you did see

Line 11 has far shorter stretch in Markkleeberg, only two stops, and there is a depot just on the Leipzig side of the administrative border so the risk of a closure in Leipzig seems low.
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Saxony funds Leipzig LRV order
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THE government of the German state of Saxony has allocated Leipzig City Transport (LVB) €7.3m to fund 50% of an order for nine Solaris Tramino LRVs

LVB awarded the Polish manufacturer a framework contract in March 2015 to supply up to 41 45m-long vehicles to replace the city’s ageing fleet of Tatra trams. The contract included an initial firm order for five vehicles and the latest option takes the total number of LRVs on order to 14

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New Solaris Tramino tram for Leipzig was presented today:
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Old February 12th, 2017, 12:01 PM   #34
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Did you know that old "video" about Leipzig tramways en 1931 ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phkrMz6DCwM

The rolling stock was modern (compared with the one in my town - Lyon France - in 1931)
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How would you rank Leipzig's public transport system on a 1-10 score?
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Solaris Tramino LRVs enter service in Leipzig
July 18, 2017



LEIPZIG launched its new fleet of Solaris Tramino XL low-floor LRVs on July 13, when the first vehicle entered trial passenger service on Line 4 from Gohlis to Stötteritz

LVB awarded the Polish manufacturer a framework contract in March 2015 to supply up to 41 1458mm-gauge vehicles to replace the city’s fleet of Tatra trams. The contract included an initial firm order for five vehicles and an option for nine vehicles was exercised in November 2016. All 14 LRVs will be delivered by the end of this year

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I would rank Leipzig's public transport system 7 on a 1 to 10 scale....
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