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Old August 25th, 2015, 03:32 AM   #41
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Old August 30th, 2015, 01:39 PM   #42
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Old August 30th, 2015, 02:02 PM   #43
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There haven't been orders for MS-21 at MAKS, or?
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Old August 30th, 2015, 02:12 PM   #44
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There haven't been orders for MS-21 at MAKS, or?
No. A contract with Sberbank Leasing for 20 planes was supposed to be signed at MAKS, but they postponed the whole thing. Probably will be signed during an investment forum in Sochi on October 1st-4th.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 03:29 AM   #45
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Good-looking plane! It has striking similarities to the Sukhoi Superjet.
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Old October 6th, 2015, 02:35 AM   #47
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Old November 4th, 2015, 02:31 PM   #48
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Old November 4th, 2015, 03:43 PM   #49
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Hmm. Has the PW1000 variant engine not arrived yet?? I think the PD-14 is years away from widescale acceptance and the PW1000 engine is what people will want.

It was supposed to arrive this year!

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-amp-en...scheduled-2015
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Old November 4th, 2015, 04:16 PM   #50
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Hmm. Has the PW1000 variant engine not arrived yet?? I think the PD-14 is years away from widescale acceptance and the PW1000 engine is what people will want.

It was supposed to arrive this year!

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-amp-en...scheduled-2015
PW has already delivered two engines for the first MS-21. I have no details on the schedule of future deliveries.
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Old November 4th, 2015, 11:09 PM   #51
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Hopefully we can see some updated pics on the airframe assembly progress soon! Must be getting close to being fully assembled now, no?
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Old November 5th, 2015, 01:26 PM   #52
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Must be getting close to being fully assembled now, no?
It is. I'm wayting for pics as well.
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Old November 8th, 2015, 03:39 AM   #53
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Good-looking plane! It has striking similarities to the Sukhoi Superjet.
Nothing really surprising here: they were developed by basically the same people. After the slump in the Nineties the UAC accumulated virtually all remaining expertise on the (civilian) aircraft design, and that team first went to design the rather small-scale SSJ, and then moved on to a larger MS-21.
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Old November 8th, 2015, 08:39 PM   #54
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Hmm. Has the PW1000 variant engine not arrived yet?? I think the PD-14 is years away from widescale acceptance and the PW1000 engine is what people will want.
The PD-14 (earlier PS-14) is a next generation turbofan engine being developed by Aviadvigatel to become one of the alternative power plants for the Irkut MS-21 twin-jet passenger aircraft. The PD-14 was announced in early 2010 with its development cost estimated at RUB 35 billion (US$1.1 billion). The company expects to start the certification procedure for the PD-14 in 2012.

Aviadvigatel indicates that the PD-14 will not only be used for the MS-21 family, but also for upgraded derivatives of the Tupolev Tu-204, or the UAC/HAL Il-214/IndoRussian MTA multirole aircraft.


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Russian Aviadvigatel will showcase one of the PD-14 test engines at the MAKS-2015 airshow.
The indigenous fifth-generation engine for the Russian short and medium haul MS-21 aircraft uses composites as materials. The engine was developed as part of the Federal Target Program that overseas development of civil aircraft in Russia.


“The United Engine Corporationhas already manufactured 7 test PD-14 engines for Russian MS-21 airliner; four more ones will be manufactured this year,” Ria Novosti had quoted UEC CEO Vladislav Masalov as saying in March.
Apart from the commercial aircraft , PD-14 engines can be used for Sukhoi Superjet 100, An-148, Tu-204, Tu-214, Tu-334, Be-200, Il-96 and Sukhoi Superjet-130NG, the modified engines can be also used for IL-76 strategic airlifter currently in service with Russian, Indian, Ukranian Air Force.
“Such projects have been discussed during meeting of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin with Deputy Chairman of Russian Government Dmitry Rogozin, dedicated to the condition and further development of Russian engine-building industry,” The company said in the statement.
PD-14 is a turbofan engine featuring a direct fan drive (no gearbox) with a separate core and bypass duct discharge. The baseline PD-14 for MS-21-300 aircraft (developed by Irkut Corporation) has a thrust of 14 tons.



Russia to stop importing aircraft engines

6 August 2015 Elena Kiseleva, Kommersant, Ivan Safronov, Elizaveta Kuznetsova
In the light of Western sanctions, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has suggested that Russia renounce future cooperation with foreign companies building aviation engines; not only in Ukraine, but also with the French Snecma on the Sukhoi Superjet-100 (SSJ-100) project. According to ‘Kommersant’, for the SSJ-100 project, there will be attempts to adapt the PD-14 engine by 2018 by the United Engine Corporation (UEC).
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Old November 9th, 2015, 02:12 AM   #55
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I think the PD-14 is too big ( in every way) for the SSJ100. It will have a future if it is safe reliable and economic to run. Same as every other engine from every other major manufacturer.

Even if slightly uneconomic in fuel burn or despatch terms the currency risk for a Russian carrier is not an issue if the engine is Russian and Russia is a sizeable JetA producer in its own right.

But no airline outside Russia or a Stan will go near the PD-14 anytime this side of 2020 and a good operational record.
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Old November 9th, 2015, 09:20 PM   #56
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But no airline outside Russia or a Stan will go near the PD-14 anytime this side of 2020 and a good operational record.

hard to say given the following :


14:32 14.07.2015(updated 14:37 14.07.2015) Get short URL

An advanced heavy transport helicopter, jointly developed by Russia and China, is expected to be equipped with a Russian-built engine most likely designed on the basis of the PD-14, United Engine Corporation's (UEC) CEO Vladislav Masalov said.





and also here :

The baseline 14,000-kgf PD-14 is designed to power the Irkut MC-21-300 short/medium-haul airliner. The shortened version of the airliner, the MC-21-200, is supposed to be fitted with 12,500-kgf PD-14A engines, while the possible stretch version (MC-21-400) as well as the prospective Russian/Indian medium Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA) are to be powered with the enhanced-thrust PD-14M version capable of 15,600 kgf.






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Old November 9th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #57
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UAC will not deliberately cancel cooperation with PW, that's stupid. Even ruble crisis and sanction wave in 2014 didn't make them hesitate. The only way it's possible is if US gov't put pressure on PW and made them cease cooperation with Irkut. Given that it didn't happen last year, there's little chance that it's gonna happen later on.


P.S. Egyptian Cairo Aviation signed up for 6 MS-21s (+ option for 4 planes) at Dubai Air Show. No details on money and time matters so far.
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Old November 10th, 2015, 03:22 AM   #58
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UAC will not deliberately cancel cooperation with PW, that's stupid.
It is double stupid in that any form of sanctions should not put lives at risk by denying safe engines (and spares) to civilian airlines. No matter where they are. It is a safety issue. The PW engines have no use beyond allowing civilians to travel safely.

As for the PD-14 engine in a HELICOPTER. It is around 6 times more powerful than the engine system in an Mil-24 by my calculations. Someone explain to me how I am wrong. pleeeeaaaase!
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Old November 10th, 2015, 07:32 PM   #59
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As for the PD-14 engine in a HELICOPTER. It is around 6 times more powerful than the engine system in an Mil-24 by my calculations. Someone explain to me how I am wrong. pleeeeaaaase!
Mi-24 is comparativelly small chopper (middle size)...the Russian/Chinese project is HEAVY WEIGHT helicopter - kind of like Mi-26, even stronger...Large helicopters use two or three turboshaft engines for redundancy. The Mil Mi-26 uses two Lotarev D-136 at 11,400 hp each.

PD-14 engine family also could include the lower-thrust 7,900-kgf PD-7 and 9,900-kgf PD-9 turbofans as well as more powerfull 18,000-kgf PD-18R gear drive turbofan and even the PD-12V turboshaft engine rated at 10,000 hp...

so 11,400 h.p. х2 = 22,800 h.p. in Mi-26 while for example PD-12V is rated at 10,000 h.p. - it is said in the quote that chopper's engine will be designed ON THE BASIS of PD-14, right? - so perhaps not exactly PD-14 - and we don't know how many of those will that Russian/Chinese helicopter get - for example Sikorsky choppers have 3 engines - so I don't see contradiction...





Mi-26 :

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9320/..._822fd946_orig


http://www.opoccuu.com/Mi-26-belarus.jpg


http://sdelanounas.ru/i/c/z/czAxOS5y...NmODAuanBn.jpg





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