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Old June 14th, 2016, 07:55 PM   #121
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This for sure has something to do with aerodynamics and weight savings. ... I'm sure the MS-21's nose is far more efficient aerodynamically compared to the 737 and A320.
The developments in nose shape have been driven by aerodynamics. Yes, the MS-21's nose is certainly more aerodynamic (lower drag) than that of the A320 or 737.

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The Russians know their sh*t in designing airplanes. They have been making planes for almost as long as powered flight itself.
The Russians have been extremely good at designing aircraft. During soviet times, the build quality was quite poor, but Russia's build quality is now much improved and seems to be approaching the competitive standards of the international market.

It will be interesting to see if they can sell any to a European carrier. It's difficult to imagine a US carrier buying any.
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Old June 18th, 2016, 10:39 PM   #122
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Aviastar has begun to deliver fuselage panels for the 3rd MS-21-300 prototype. They will complete their deliveries for the 3rd and 4th prototypes in 2016, and for 2017 they should deliver parts for 1 MS-21-300 and 2 MS-21-200.





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Old June 20th, 2016, 05:17 AM   #123
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grey ms21 200
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Old July 11th, 2016, 02:24 AM   #124
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Old July 11th, 2016, 02:26 AM   #125
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Old July 21st, 2016, 05:20 PM   #126
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Now that the US Congress has basically blocked 737 sales to Iran, I wonder if this plane with the Aviadvigatel engines could be sold as an alternative to Iranian carriers?

It might not be possible with the amount of US-sourced components such as avionics, but who know...
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Old July 30th, 2016, 10:34 AM   #127
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I'm sure Russia can develop a version that has no US components, maybe with less stellar economics, but can be sold to Iran.
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Old July 31st, 2016, 10:22 AM   #128
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I'm sure Russia can develop a version that has no US components, maybe with less stellar economics, but can be sold to Iran.
Highly doubt it. If they can, it will be extremely expensive and way inferior to what they can build with western technology. Sad, but true.
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Old July 31st, 2016, 05:10 PM   #129
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Highly doubt it. If they can, it will be extremely expensive and way inferior to what they can build with western technology. Sad, but true.
Iran is not some nation that needs the thousands of airliners that all manufacturers seem to think they need. There's no need for Russia to offer an all-Russian version for Iran.
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Old August 1st, 2016, 07:10 AM   #130
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Iran is not some nation that needs the thousands of airliners that all manufacturers seem to think they need. There's no need for Russia to offer an all-Russian version for Iran.
I totally agree. And there is no economic argument to build an all-Russian version of the plane, period.
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Old August 2nd, 2016, 01:02 PM   #131
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Looks great. I am glad that Russia is back on the market with passenger jets that can compete with western counterparts. I see that many Russian companies are buying American or European jets instead of Russian. With Irkut and SSJ that will change I hope.
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Old August 4th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #132
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Looks great. I am glad that Russia is back on the market with passenger jets that can compete with western counterparts. I see that many Russian companies are buying American or European jets instead of Russian. With Irkut and SSJ that will change I hope.
I believe that it will change, starting with the MC-21. Russian commercial aviation was often dictated by state decrees which built aircraft that Russia's own domestic market never needed in the first place, let alone the global market. (just look at how many replacements the Russians developed for the Tu-134/154). I'd also argue that to some extent, the market didn't need the RRJ when it was launched - the market for large regional jets wasn't huge in the first place. Then, the SSJ entered service at a time when everybody who needed large regional jets already have sizeable fleets of CRJ or ERJs already. So, it shouldn't be a surprise to Sukhoi that they're struggling to get sales.

The MC-21 on the other hand, is the right aircraft at the right time. Granted, it's late compared to the NEO and MAX but the current economy slump combined with the lower fuel prices means airlines aren't as enthusiastic to order or take delivery of new aircraft. The late arrival of the MC-21 is therefore a silver lining for the aircraft. In addition, it wisely chose to push the MC-21-300 first, an A321-sized aircraft which seems to be demanded quite a bit, not only by Russian carriers like Nordwind and UTair, but Aeroflot and Rossiya as well.
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In addition, it wisely chose to push the MC-21-300 first, an A321-sized aircraft which seems to be demanded quite a bit, not only by Russian carriers like Nordwind and UTair, but Aeroflot and Rossiya as well.
The MC-21-300 is significantly smaller than the A321:

Passengers:
MC-21-300: 211 (1-class, maximum)
181 (1-class, standard)
163 (2-class, standard)

A321neo: 206 (2-class)
240 (1-class, maximum)


It's more in like with the A320neo's 165-195 seat range.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 12:42 PM   #134
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Old November 12th, 2016, 10:48 PM   #135
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The MC-21-300 is significantly smaller than the A321:

Passengers:
MC-21-300: 211 (1-class, maximum)
181 (1-class, standard)
163 (2-class, standard)

A321neo: 206 (2-class)
240 (1-class, maximum)


It's more in like with the A320neo's 165-195 seat range.
Truth is somewhere in between. Length will give us a clue
A320neo - 37.57 m
MC-21-300 - 42.3 m
A321neo - 44.51 m
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Old November 13th, 2016, 03:32 AM   #136
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The Irkut is destined to run into the same problems as its contemporaries. P&W cannot make engines fast enough.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 04:15 AM   #137
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MC-21 Flight simulator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jezvhGW0Yjo
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The Irkut is destined to run into the same problems as its contemporaries. P&W cannot make engines fast enough.
I thought they are going to use Russian made PD-14 engine, although for western customers they may use US ones.
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