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Old February 15th, 2015, 09:13 PM   #1
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Svartmetall Tours Munich - 2014 08 21

Welcome to Munich

On our way back to Stockholm from Rome, my wife, her cousin and myself had a brief stop over in Munich. Munich is a city that surprised me. Even cleaner and more wealthy feeling than Stockholm, this city epitomises Bavarian culture to me and was a really pleasant surprise.

Here I will share my impressions and shots from that city for you all. It is a city I hope to return to and one I encourage people to visit.



Our welcome to the city, the beautiful, clean and modern airport.












Two S-bahn lines come to the airport giving a frequent and convenient connection to the city centre.





Here is a video of mine showing the S-bahn arriving at the airport station.






The S-bahn arriving at Marienplatz. The station was under renovation while I was there.






A video of the S-bahn at Marienplatz.






Our first view of Munich.








Many more to come. Hopefully you'll all enjoy joining me on this trip.
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Old February 16th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #2
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Good, very nice photos from Munich
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Old February 16th, 2015, 07:41 PM   #3
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Thank you, hope you enjoy the next lot.
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At the new City Hall. Though it looks old, this is actually the new one!





Always crowds outside waiting for the hour to strike.





Unfortunately, I couldn't get a good video of the sound as everyone was so noisy around me, but this shows what it is like when the hour strikes.






Munich is full of churches.








Even the back streets look neat and tidy.






Back of one of the churches.






Old town hall. Looks newer than the new town hall!






More to come.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 03:40 AM   #5
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charming city with vibrant street scenes.
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Glad you're enjoying the photos!
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Old February 17th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #7
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Here we go! More photos from Munich.

The central pedestrian streets are really nice.






So many beautiful churches around.








Markets.






The food looked really good here!






More street scenes - I love the arch over the pedestrian street.








Old town hall again.








More to come.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 09:01 PM   #8
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Continuing with my tour of Munich (one of the nicest cities I have been to in Europe).

Right next to the old town hall is this beautiful street scene.






And these alleyways.







Bavaria specialises in beer drinking outside and hearty food, as we shall see a bit later.








Looking towards Isartor.








The tor.





Back down the street inventively named "Tal".






Time to eat some lunch, though. Coming up next.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 11:48 PM   #9
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Time to enjoy our lunch!


Really nice atmosphere.








Most importantly - the beer. Something I really miss up here in Sweden.






And the food! Typical Bavarian fare it seems. Here is mine:






And my wifes.






And a second beer to wash it down with.






After being well satiated, we popped out and took a look towards the New Town Hall.






Monument outside the Town Hall.






Walking down the main pedestrianised shopping street.






The new shopping arcades mix really well with the old.







And the old buildings are beautifully appointed and adorned with flowers.









More to come from this amazing little city.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 10:00 AM   #10
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Beside this charming fotos Munich has one important negative aspect: Renting or buying appartments!
Beside the politics to reduce and limit growth Munich adds about 20.000 to 25.000 per year at the moment within its quite close city borders making it one of the fastest growing cities in Europe (1.5 % to 1.8 % per year). One main problem is that prices are still high even if one searches outside the city borders within the suburb.
Also beside this pictues providing crowded streets the population itself in Munich is comparatively suburban. My estimates for the urban area / region of Munich are that about only 1 million live within a dense urban pattern while 2 million live suburban creating reasonable traffic. Munich really lacks of dense urban planning and development of residential areas. Vienna is there 2 levels above Munich's provincial planning offices.
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Beside this charming fotos Munich has one important negative aspect: Renting or buying appartments!
I live in Stockholm. Trust me, nothing can even come close to the madness here. People bid up from the starting price and you end up paying at least 60,000 euros more than the list price for an apartment in this city. Rentals are government regulated meaning you have to go to the black market to get a rental, and it's never a permanent rental. People generally have to change homes every 6 months or so here unless they get a permanent first hand rental contract (the wait time is 20 years for central Stockholm).

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Beside the politics to reduce and limit growth Munich adds about 20.000 to 25.000 per year at the moment within its quite close city borders making it one of the fastest growing cities in Europe (1.5 % to 1.8 % per year). One main problem is that prices are still high even if one searches outside the city borders within the suburb.
Prices are not high in the absolute suburbs of Stockholm and that is because they are dangerous immigrant ghettos. At least you don't have that to the same extent!

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Also beside this pictues providing crowded streets the population itself in Munich is comparatively suburban. My estimates for the urban area / region of Munich are that about only 1 million live within a dense urban pattern while 2 million live suburban creating reasonable traffic. Munich really lacks of dense urban planning and development of residential areas. Vienna is there 2 levels above Munich's provincial planning offices.
Indeed, but most cities of that size have that problem - Stockholm again is a perfect example. But at least your U-bahn and S-bahn are much better quality than our transport system. The level of motorway building and car-dependent building occurring in Stockholm at the moment is just ruining the city. I think the problems you describe in Munich are replicated across other rich and prosperous cities too, but at least it's nothing like as bad as the hell up here.

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I live in Stockholm. Trust me, nothing can even come close to the madness here. People bid up from the starting price and you end up paying at least 60,000 euros more than the list price for an apartment in this city. Rentals are government regulated meaning you have to go to the black market to get a rental, and it's never a permanent rental. People generally have to change homes every 6 months or so here unless they get a permanent first hand rental contract (the wait time is 20 years for central Stockholm).
What do you mean you have to go to the black market for rentals??



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Prices are not high in the absolute suburbs of Stockholm and that is because they are dangerous immigrant ghettos. At least you don't have that to the same extent!
Dangerous ghettos, are you serious? That sounds quite far-fetched for Sweden.



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Indeed, but most cities of that size have that problem - Stockholm again is a perfect example. But at least your U-bahn and S-bahn are much better quality than our transport system. The level of motorway building and car-dependent building occurring in Stockholm at the moment is just ruining the city. I think the problems you describe in Munich are replicated across other rich and prosperous cities too, but at least it's nothing like as bad as the hell up here.

Thanks for your comments!
I don't mind Munich but I also found it somewhat sterile, overly commercial and less interesting than other German cities. Berlin being my favourite and almost polar opposite in character to Munich. I like Munich's museums and galleries however and found one of the best places to have Bavarian fare in a building of the courtyard of the new town hall.
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What do you mean you have to go to the black market for rentals??
Well, they're "3rd hand rentals", not real rentals where one is given a first hand contract for permanent rental. These 3rd hand contracts are very tenuous, charge above the "legal" amount set by the government (which was abolished recently actually for even first hand contracts and so prices have gone nuts now) and tend to be very short term contracts. There are a lot of scams for rentals in Stockholm - recently a colleague of mine was almost scammed by someone who set up a fake mirror real estate website (using a legitimate UK company's site) and even shown a real apartment. He was then asked for a downpayment of 4 months of rent. He found the mirrored site, contacted the police in the UK, turned out the guy who set up the mirror was in Sweden, Swedish police managed to track him down and arrest him. This was a particularly elaborate scheme, but schemes on a smaller scale are so commonplace these days that it's become the norm.

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Dangerous ghettos, are you serious? That sounds quite far-fetched for Sweden.
Well, yes. Immigrant ghettoes primarily. You're Australian, right? Think about all those povo areas where the white trash hang out in Australia as well as lovely, delightful suburbs like Punchbowl in Sydney. It's along that level of "dangerous". The only difference is that these suburbs in Stockholm are just hellish concrete messes as well so they don't even have any redeeming aesthetic qualities.

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I don't mind Munich but I also found it somewhat sterile, overly commercial and less interesting than other German cities. Berlin being my favourite and almost polar opposite in character to Munich. I like Munich's museums and galleries however and found one of the best places to have Bavarian fare in a building of the courtyard of the new town hall.
Depends on your definition of "interesting". I hate gritty, messy cities, and loathe the whole over-the-top "hipster grit culture" that some cities have going on. Some call it character, I just call it a mess and/or overly pretentious nonsense. My personal favourite city in the world is Tokyo, and no one can call that too sterile I don't think. Berlin is nice, but it doesn't offer the quality of life that Munich does. I think Berlin is a better place to visit, but Munich probably has a better quality of life overall.
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OK, I see. Punchbowl isn't that bad really, it's media hype and some houses can go for up to $1m AUD there, but that's also a Sydney overpriced real estate thing. There are some trashy and somewhat unsafe, ugly outer suburbs in Oz cities though, that's for sure, and even inner-city horrible LeCorbusier type towers, but generally well kept. Still, I'm surprised about Stockholm and a lot of the news I hear coming out of Scandinavia these days. We imagine it is some kind of 'euro-eutopia', especially compared to the rest of the continent and the world, but obviously not. All cities have their problems I guess.
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Well, Germany, Netherlands, UK, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Norway are all pretty good examples of good countries that are generally doing okay. Germany is definitely more of a utopia than Sweden I'd say - especially when considering crime rate and even the economy in my opinion.
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Onwards to the Frauenkirche. The onion domes of this church are easily seen from nearly everywhere. Unfortunately one tower was under renovation (the story of my trip it seems).








The little square outside the main entrance (Frauenplatz).






The interior is very impressive, so I'll give a quick overview of that.

















Final shot of the organ.






More street scenes to come.
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Excellent thread. I love Munich.
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It is an awesome city isn't it?
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So, we head back to the main shopping street.












Another church - are there enough here?







The main street is really nice.














More to come later.
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nice photos of an splendid city
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