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Old February 21st, 2015, 03:06 AM   #41
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Ah yes that is right, the 1986 exemption to 65 mph for high-standard freeways and the 1995 repeal of the NMSL legislation - thanks, Jim Baxter!

and in similar note... 70 mph in MD, soon?
http://www.somdnews.com/article/2015...uthernMaryland
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Old February 21st, 2015, 03:48 AM   #42
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We've come a long way from the days when Maryland was notorious for "rolling roadblocks":

http://www.csmonitor.com/1985/0710/aroll.html

(I remember seeing somewhere, years ago, that the percentage of drivers speeding in Maryland was off-the-charts low.)
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Old February 21st, 2015, 07:57 PM   #43
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We've come a long way from the days when Maryland was notorious for "rolling roadblocks":

http://www.csmonitor.com/1985/0710/aroll.html

(I remember seeing somewhere, years ago, that the percentage of drivers speeding in Maryland was off-the-charts low.)
I remember the Philly PD doing that one morning on I-95 when I was commuting back in 2005.
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:00 PM   #44
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More vintage/pre-NMSL speed limit signs:

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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:03 PM   #45
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that's almost as bad as the Polish one
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:43 PM   #46
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'Federal Highways'. That would make some people on AA Roads crazy
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Old February 21st, 2015, 08:49 PM   #47
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I was about to say....*

(Some of them already are. I haven't been there in a while, actually.)

*About "Federal highways," not the mental state of AARoads members.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 07:05 PM   #48
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????-1974 and 1995 to 1999 Montana had no daytime speed limit for cars.
Yes, but!!! it was up to highway patrolmen to decide on the spot what was "reasonable and prudent". So, the law in this regard was given into the hands of traffic police which is bad practice IMO. I read somewhere that they started to issue fines for "non-reasonable" speed already at 140-150 km/h (85 - 95 mph).

This eventually lead to the death of the "reasonable and prudent" limit when a motorist fought his speeding ticket in court and ultimately won the case. The court stated that "reasonable and prudent" is too vague and thus police cannot issue fines based on self-defined speed excesses.
The guy was good to go, but revenge came shortly afterwards, the "reasonable and prudent" was replaced by a 75 mph limit.

BTW was there a formal definition of "night"? Or was this also up to some cop to decide?
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 09:46 PM   #49
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Yes, but!!! it was up to highway patrolmen to decide on the spot what was "reasonable and prudent". So, the law in this regard was given into the hands of traffic police which is bad practice IMO. I read somewhere that they started to issue fines for "non-reasonable" speed already at 140-150 km/h (85 - 95 mph).

This eventually lead to the death of the "reasonable and prudent" limit when a motorist fought his speeding ticket in court and ultimately won the case. The court stated that "reasonable and prudent" is too vague and thus police cannot issue fines based on self-defined speed excesses.
The guy was good to go, but revenge came shortly afterwards, the "reasonable and prudent" was replaced by a 75 mph limit.

BTW was there a formal definition of "night"? Or was this also up to some cop to decide?
I remember that case. It was the doubled edged sword of "reasonable and prudent". A person could also be pulled over and cited for going 35 mph on an interstate grade highway during a rain or snow storm.

I believe the formal definition of a night time speed limit is something like 30 minutes after dusk and before dawn.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 10:02 PM   #50
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Here is another type of speed limit sign found on Montana highways during reasonable and prudent years:



A pre-1974 speed limit sign made so that the night time speed limit was seen when headlights were on at night:

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Old February 22nd, 2015, 10:15 PM   #51
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As far as the definition of "night" is concerned...

weather.com has recently taken to showing on the forecast page for any given place a sun-and-moon graph that shows, among other things, "civil twilight." Which, at least at this latitude at this time of year, starts 27 minutes before sunrise and ends 27 minutes after sunset:

http://www.weather.com/weather/today/l/USPA1276:1:US
Scroll about halfway down.

My guess - just a guess - is that "night" would be the period between civil twilights. (I know the graph shows "nautical" and "astronomical" twilights as well, with "night" apparently coming after astronomical, but the word "civil" suggests to me that that's twilight for legal purposes.)

At any rate, it's a cool graph.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 02:03 PM   #52
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The Kansas Turnpike had an 80 mph speed limit until around 1971 when it was lowered to 75 mph and then 55 mph in 1974.

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Old February 23rd, 2015, 02:18 PM   #53
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Some of Ohio's speed limit signs had a different layout during the 65mph years.



Oregon is the only state west of the Mississippi river to still have a maximum speed limit of 65 mph for cars.

Also of interest is that some of Oregon's speed limit signs do not have the word "LIMIT" on them.

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In California some placed on their freeways had "MAXIMUM" like in Canada.
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Maximum Speed Limit Worldwide:

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Old February 24th, 2015, 01:05 AM   #56
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CT is definitely lax on speed limits on the highways. You can easily go past the entire state and not see any troopers. Maybe on I-84 you will see one cop car in the median inbetween Danbury and Waterbury. NY and MA on the other hand...they're everywhere.
I have a completely different experience when I've driven through CT. I always saw troopers along the interstate except in the evening.
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In California some placed on their freeways had "MAXIMUM" like in Canada.
Not really like Canada. Older California speed limit signs said "MAXIMUM SPEED" and were created when the 55 MPH NMSL was in effect because of California's basic speed law.
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Not really like Canada. Older California speed limit signs said "MAXIMUM SPEED" and were created when the 55 MPH NMSL was in effect because of California's basic speed law.
You're right sorry... not I remember.

I like Maximum Speed more than Speed Limit.
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Croatia has 130, not 140.
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Old Texas state line speed limit sign:



This is a common site on I-87 in upstate New York going to the Canadian border:

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