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Old April 22nd, 2017, 10:42 PM   #121
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I don't think anyone's arguing about city area size, that was just an earlier misunderstanding from a previous post.
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 11:09 PM   #122
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The actual subject of what city has the most highrises is far more interesting, I'd really love to see accurate statistics for Moscow and especially Sao Paulo.



Uh I used the same site for Hong Kong just now and the 100m buildings stop at #3,156, which is twice as many as Shanghai and NYC combined...

https://www.emporis.com/city/101300/...s/existing/158
Yep the problem with Emporis is it only uses submitted data - relying on some online user volunteering official information on a specific building, with photo. The problem of course is it's West-centric, meaning it's very up-to-date and thorough for Europe and US etc, but not so for other countries who may be further afield on the net, or behind a stonking Great Firewall. To exacerbate the situation, Emporis doesn't accept data that's not in English or German (where it's from). Thus even if there are a few people out there who have found the site and have tried to submit to it, the data is denied (Zorg, a Spanish forumer who has been documenting the highrises rise in China for over a decade, completely had all his data rejected).

This meant for years places like Moscow, and more recently Seoul went off the radar until last year (turns out they both have more highrises than NYC, and didn't just suddenly build thousands of them in 2016), whilst Shanghai - according to Emporis - is not even in the top 20, and has less highrises than say London or Kiev.

Despite all this, Shanghai's count is still greater than NYC's, at the 845 mark, but I reckon there are far more>100m. On wikipedia, it puts it at 1,475 over 100m, but without a source link.
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 11:24 PM   #123
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I never would have thought of making any NYC comparisons in the first place to be honest, it just seems like a very bizarre comparison, because pretty much everybody on this planet knows that NYC doesn't have the endless fields of identical ghetto highrises that you find in China or South Korea, it has its two main skylines and two smaller ones in Queens and Brooklyn and that's pretty much it. For that subject, I'd personally only compare cities that are known for their many hundreds of cheap identical apartment buildings.
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 08:31 AM   #124
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Actually the whole thread has really been about usurping the official no 1 title holder - Hong Kong. Someone only mentioned NYC these past 2 pages.


And let's not open the can of worms on whether the apartment buildings are 'cheap' or not, as the building codes in the region - at great expense- have to be the strictest in the world (built to withstand major earthquake zones coupled with annual typhoons and floods - Shanghai even more so as it's on alluvial clay). By far the worst cheapening, disfigurement to the architecture are the air con units that'll appear like a skin disease on the lower income buildings, not the architecture itself.

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Old April 23rd, 2017, 11:01 AM   #125
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Emporis (that relies on submitted data) puts Shanghai at 845 buildings over 100m.

https://www.emporis.com/city/100213/...us/existing/43

For comparison, NYC has 723:

https://www.emporis.com/city/101028/...us/existing/37
For Shanghai it is estimated height, assuming 100m=25floors, what is not true, since in Shanghai the limit is 100 metres for residential buildings, that means a lot of 30-34 floor buildings reach 99 metres, which in that list they are wrongly listed as 130 metres.
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Old April 24th, 2017, 12:41 AM   #126
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For Shanghai it is estimated height, assuming 100m=25floors, what is not true, since in Shanghai the limit is 100 metres for residential buildings, that means a lot of 30-34 floor buildings reach 99 metres, which in that list they are wrongly listed as 130 metres.
I would not put too much stock on Shanghai's height limit regulations. The Chinese are notorious for having a blanket "Official Policy" but with loose enforcement and hundreds of exceptions and exemptions. Look at the old One Child Policy, there was hundreds of loop holes or the official population of Shenzhen (10 million) but if migrants are counted the number is around 20 million.

Also how can all 30-34 story residential buildings be under 99m. CTBUH's calculator puts a 30 story residential building at approx 102m and 34 story building is 115m. But also look at the tops and bottoms of the buildings:

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CTBUH assumes a 7m tall (2 floor mechanical penthouse) which is pretty standard across the world but as you can see in the picture, many buildings have decorative crowns, pavilions, fins and other architectural features on top of the 2 floor mechanical penthouse adding to height. Now for the base you can see many buildings have a few retail and office floors in the bottom which are taller than most normal floors adding even more height. So knowing that how can all 30-34 story buildings be all under 99m? A 30 floor building just under 99m is plausible but add any more floors and you are pretty good to go in the +100m club or you are going to have like 7 foot ceilings. Throw in the fact that many of the buildings in this class also may be for the higher end market so ceiling heights over 9 feet may be used.
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Old April 24th, 2017, 01:06 AM   #127
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Old April 24th, 2017, 06:27 AM   #128
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Old April 24th, 2017, 01:30 PM   #129
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OMG, picture speaks volumes.

That image above dose not include the Greater Hongqiao Area (大虹桥地区, currently one of Shanghai's Construction Hot spots) aroud the Hongqiao Transportation Complex (Hongqiao Railway Station plus Hongqiao Airport) tho.

However, that one up posted by TowerVerre dose.

Both are awesome photos, thx for sharing, guys.
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Old April 24th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #130
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And both also don't even show Xujiahui
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Old April 28th, 2017, 09:29 PM   #131
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So NY has more or Shanghai? This is so absurd lol
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Old April 30th, 2017, 04:51 PM   #132
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Go back one page, SH has >16,952 highrises, NYC has 6,250.
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