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Old March 26th, 2015, 12:46 AM   #1
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BERLIN | Blackstone Tower | 150m | Pro









Source, © and more: Christian Speelmanns Architekten
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Old March 26th, 2015, 12:56 AM   #2
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Not bad, although it would look much better without those silly studs.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 01:01 AM   #3
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How about some black stone cladding instead of just glass?
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Old March 26th, 2015, 01:08 AM   #4
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Some older plans..., they wanted to tear down the ParkInn Tower for 3 new towers, but they decided to save the fresh renovated ParkInn Tower...


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Old March 26th, 2015, 01:31 AM   #5
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The ground floor facing the square is the most interesting part.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 01:50 AM   #6
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The old design is terrible. It represents everything wrong with recent architecture in Europe (irregular window patterns, strange mix of styles and materials, and bizarre utilization of green space).
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Old March 26th, 2015, 03:10 AM   #7
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Is this Blackstone as in http://www.blackstone.com ?
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Old March 26th, 2015, 04:42 AM   #8
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reminds me of this tower in NYC, which is stunning in real life.


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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:07 PM   #9
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I'm not in favour of another boxy tower right there, too similar to the Park Inn. Something with setbacks is the way to go, as Kollhoffs masterplan intended:


http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...93/teilnehmer/


http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/be...g/8027168.html

A more detailed idea by some forumer:

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The old design is terrible. It represents everything wrong with recent architecture in Europe (irregular window patterns, strange mix of styles and materials, and bizarre utilization of green space).
I agree when it comes to the lower right building which indeed sucks.
But the rest of the concept is really good. Setbacked towers, a harmonious material mix of stone and glass, a representative roofed agora and a nice passage, overall a very lively and urban masterplan, perfectly fit for Alexanderplatz. I wish they'd go for this one. Alex needs some sort of coherent masterplan that connects the now solitary puzzle pieces better, similar to Potsdamer Platz.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #10
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@Erbse, do yourself a favor and forget about Kollhoff's masterplan and tower designs. None of this will come. The city has scrapped his idea. Not always comparing Kollhoff's elegant art deco towers with what is actually being build, will spare you a lot of grief.

@Ludi. Where does this new(?) visualization suddenly come from? I didn't hear or read in any forum of any news regarding the revival of this project.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 04:54 PM   #11
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The Speelmanns plan is a proposal out of the blue it seems, read this.
It says: This concept ought to contribute to the reasonable development of Berlin's City east - for a livable and sustainable, future-proof city.

Kollhoff's plan will always be the benchmark for this area and Berlin deserves it. I don't care what the city intends to do as they probably don't know for themselves, they should just stop their ridiculous behaviour of tampering better designs into mediocre/hideous via the "Baukollegium" (construction council). It's up to the developers which are standing in line already.

Btw, even if I may sound angry or very emotional about some of Berlin's developments, I'm perfectly balanced. But of course I'm also serious about my endeavour to reestablish a real building culture.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 05:17 PM   #12
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Additional interior renders of the Speelmanns proposal:

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Source: http://www.speelmanns.de/zukunft-city-ost-zukunft-zlb/
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Old March 26th, 2015, 07:17 PM   #13
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Is this Blackstone as in http://www.blackstone.com ?
Yes, it allways was called Blackstone ground, but i am not 100% sure, if Blackstone company still the property owner...
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Yes, it allways was called Blackstone ground, but i am not 100% sure, if Blackstone company still the property owner...
This is a nice one. Would love to see it realized!
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But there are absolutely no news regarding this project.

The draft by Christian Speelmanns was more a suggestion than a real proposal.
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Is this project still alive anyway?
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